Thoughts On The Next Nottingham Forest Manager

[Plymouth red]

I'll be brutal on this but if we lose tomorrow playing the same dire football we have these past 12 months then i really think it is time to move on and see if a new manager can get a tune out of this squad.

Its not just the result that matters, but the manner of result.

[Strawberry Avenger]

A few stats to consider.

A am waiting for somebody to tell me how we can let this fester any longer.

Hughton has played 25 homes games and won 6 - PATHETIC
Only 2 clubs in the entire 72 football league clubs scored less goals than us last season
Only 1 out of the 72 have made a worse start this season.
Zero improvement in team performances in his tenure.
Zero improvement in individual players in his tenure.
We don’t have an identity, we aren’t a possession based side, not a counter-attacking side, we don’t press high. We just rely on individual ability to score goals.

Other than he has won promotion before, can anybody please explain why the board have not removed him at the start of the last international  break.

I'll tell you, because there's probably no other manager out there willing to come to a club with a squad as shite as ours and naff all money  :D

More eloquently said than I.  Said the Cat.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Alf, Our present squad is OK except for a goal poacher and creator, it the way CH sets up the team. Anybody with an ounce of footballing knowledge should be aware that to get promoted from the Championship you score loads of goals, defence is secondary. However CH priority is always based on a strong defence, it matters not a jot in todays game, score goals and we rise the table, S**t or bust for CH tomorrow, everything to gain and nothing to lose we cant go any lower then at present. If he picks a defensive side and plays negative football against Cardiff then Dane has every right to send him packing immediately down the M1.

An 'ok' squad without a good striker is asking for trouble.  

Dane lead the recruitment.  If Hughton fails, Dane should fall on his sword.

SA.

[JollyLolly]

SA, see my earlier post, nothing wrong with the players available to CH at the club at present, might not be a top six side but more then capable of sitting mid-table.

[Strawberry Avenger]

SA, see my earlier post, nothing wrong with the players available to CH at the club at present, might not be a top six side but more then capable of sitting mid-table.

Nothing 'right' about them either...until they perform?

And see my earlier post above.

This will be the 1st time Hughton has his own permanent outfield players and up to 'ten' available to him.  (No striker mind...how are we going to score the goals to get mid-table?)

We don't know if we're capable of sitting mid-table.  How do you know that?

These players haven't played anyone yet. ;)

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

I'll be brutal on this but if we lose tomorrow playing the same dire football we have these past 12 months then i really think it is time to move on and see if a new manager can get a tune out of this squad.

Its not just the result that matters, but the manner of result.

Dire football as a result of dire recruitment born of poor understanding of the championship and the type of player you need and those mistakes were repeated for four years.  We'll only know if Dane is any better starting vs Cardiff.  The ultimate Championship barometer test for any fledging squad.  

Maybe if they had listened to someone who knew eg. MoN or Keane then we wouldn't have to clear out 14 crap players who played that 'dire' football last year.

Forest haven't recruited 'GOOD' players for some time.  Or a striker for even longer.

The manner of the result doesn't matter.  It's Cardiff.  But the result does matter!

SA.

[Paplane]

I'll be brutal on this but if we lose tomorrow playing the same dire football we have these past 12 months then i really think it is time to move on and see if a new manager can get a tune out of this squad.

Its not just the result that matters, but the manner of result.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree Plymouth. CH has to demonstrate tomorrow that he can set a team up to go out and win a home game in a confident manner (and then do the same on Wednesday). Its a tough opponent in Cardiff so bad luck for CH but i think we're at a crossroads now. We either have to win games NOW regularly or we coast to a situation where we're cast adrift at the bottom and leave the next man a really really difficult task.

I remember getting this feeling about Sabri. My default position is that you back your manager 100% until his position becomes untenable. And im getting a feeling in my bones that its time.

As SA says above, Chris has mitigating circumstances (many of them) but we are where we are now unfortunately. Lose tomorrow and we need a firefighter as a manager and Chris is just not that.

[Strawberry Avenger]

I'll be brutal on this but if we lose tomorrow playing the same dire football we have these past 12 months then i really think it is time to move on and see if a new manager can get a tune out of this squad.

Its not just the result that matters, but the manner of result.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree Plymouth. CH has to demonstrate tomorrow that he can set a team up to go out and win a home game in a confident manner (and then do the same on Wednesday). Its a tough opponent in Cardiff so bad luck for CH but i think we're at a crossroads now. We either have to win games NOW regularly or we coast to a situation where we're cast adrift at the bottom and leave the next man a really really difficult task.

I remember getting this feeling about Sabri. My default position is that you back your manager 100% until his position becomes untenable. And im getting a feeling in my bones that its time.

As SA says above, Chris has mitigating circumstances (many of them) but we are where we are now unfortunately. Lose tomorrow and we need a firefighter as a manager and Chris is just not that.

Billy Davies.    :cool:

Though, I suspect Hughton won't be going down without a fight. Say what we will about the glacial sabotage of the recruitment 'afforded' to Chris for the 1st four games. The team still competed for him. Only losing to to soft goals donated to the opposition by Samba.

This is his 1st team.  I think he should get his 'ten games' and see where we are.  We're not going to be top 6.  We'll do well to hit mid-table (if the players perform.)

A couple of wins would change the complexion somewhat.  

It doesn't look good because if Forest win they stay in the bottom 3? But another win could take them beyond that to mid-table.

Reading and Peterborough are conceding more goals than a Hughton side will. So that only leaves the 7 or 8 teams above Forest in poor form. I'd save that we can navigate those.

But he does need those wins despite the tide of mitigation.  If I were Dane, I'd back Hughton for ten.

However, I is not he.

SA.

[JollyLolly]

Pap, hear what you say, but we are not remotely at the stage of replacing CH with a fire fighter type coach/manger, just a good positive football type of one

[Strawberry Avenger]

Pap, hear what you say, but we are not remotely at the stage of replacing CH with a fire fighter type coach/manger, just a good positive football type of one

Positive football comes with recruiting good players.  Brennan's goal vs Derby was good?

Zinc Man has been a revelation.  But he was on his own for 4 games.

And we had no sturdy Worrall at the back.

SA.

[Paplane]

I'll be brutal on this but if we lose tomorrow playing the same dire football we have these past 12 months then i really think it is time to move on and see if a new manager can get a tune out of this squad.

Its not just the result that matters, but the manner of result.

As much as it pains me to say it, I agree Plymouth. CH has to demonstrate tomorrow that he can set a team up to go out and win a home game in a confident manner (and then do the same on Wednesday). Its a tough opponent in Cardiff so bad luck for CH but i think we're at a crossroads now. We either have to win games NOW regularly or we coast to a situation where we're cast adrift at the bottom and leave the next man a really really difficult task.

I remember getting this feeling about Sabri. My default position is that you back your manager 100% until his position becomes untenable. And im getting a feeling in my bones that its time.

As SA says above, Chris has mitigating circumstances (many of them) but we are where we are now unfortunately. Lose tomorrow and we need a firefighter as a manager and Chris is just not that.

Billy Davies.    :cool:

Though, I suspect Hughton won't be going down without a fight.  Say what we will about the glacial sabotage of the recruitment 'afforded' to Chris for the 1st four games.  The team still competed for him.  Only losing to to soft goals donated to the opposition by Samba.

This is his 1st team.  I think he should get his 'ten games' and see where we are.  We're not going to be top 6.  We'll do well to hit mid-table (if the players perform.)

A couple of wins would change the complexion somewhat.  

It doesn't look good because if Forest win they stay in the bottom 3?  But another win could take them beyond that to mid-table. 

But he does need those wins despite the tide of mitigation.  If I were Dane, I'd back Hughton for ten.

However, I is not he.

SA.

We'll find out tomorrow SA if he's able to get any fight out of the players  I reckon our 2nd half improvement at the dip could well have been as much to do with Forest fan Worrall not wanting to go out with a whimper against our fierce rivals as much as any influence CH had.

Id love us to go on a mini run and look back at this game as our Fergie game.

[Paplane]

I dont agree though that no manager will want to come to us. Managers by their nature are confident beings. Many candidates will think they're the one to wake us from our slumber.