Poll: Loans and frees or speculate to accumulate?
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Don't sell players - recruit loans and frees
28.57%
8 28.57%
Sell players to improve the squad
71.43%
20 71.43%
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Budget - Speculate To Accumulate?
#61
(24-08-2021, 04:13 PM)Redreg Wrote:
(24-08-2021, 09:50 AM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: LB.  Winger.  No.10.  RB.  Striker. 

We've still got room for a couple more loans.  But we should be getting in some permanents.  I don't like the idea of a club pulling the rug on ie.  The Nicky Shorey effect.

SA.

Its a 8 we need SA and have done since Silva left

8 signings?  yep.  ;)

Seriously, Silva has been a big miss.  He was really getting to grips with the Championship.  Bit of hustle.  Bit of quality.

I'd happily swamp Car for him right now.

Even with Garner in.  I don't think the CM area is finished.  Nor the more advanced ACM role. And we could do with another powerful winger. Lolley has looked out of it so far.

SA.
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#62
Can we stay on topic please...
Panic on the streets of London
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#63
We want £10M for Brennan, assume Brentford have offered much lower. Trouble is they know we are up shit creek and need to sell to buy. They sit there with their low offer and wait patiently for us to crack.
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#64
(24-08-2021, 04:23 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: We want £10M for Brennan, assume Brentford have offered much lower. Trouble is they know we are up S**t creek and need to sell to buy. They sit there with their low offer and wait patiently for us to crack.

Exactly they hold the cards, unless another club shows interest in him,  I'd be tempted to put it out there that we could well listen to offers for Mighten, we really are in a mess
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#65
Things can change very quickly though MadForIt.

If we get 3 or 4 players over the line and win a match the picture can soon start to look very different.

The key word is IF.

Fingers crossed.
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#66
Just looked at the poll result.

73% saying that we should sell player's to improve the squad.
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#67
As long as its not just one for one though. I wouldn't be keen on selling Johnson for 6m say just to spend 2m on a replacement.
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#68
(24-08-2021, 05:37 PM)wassy04 Wrote: As long as its not just one for one though. I wouldn't be keen on selling Johnson for 6m say just to spend 2m on a replacement.

Isnt that the idea?
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#69
We haven't maxed out our loan limit yet?

Saving money for the 'quality' signings and a class striker. I remember when Forest used to go out and get Collymore in the 2nd division for a couple of million. Or a Brian Roy to give us a 'touch' of class.

73%. We can only sell if we get the value we want. We can't have the likes of Brentford taking the pish.

Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate. The time to do that was in the January window under Sabri. But we stuffed it up.

We can still push for mid-table and beyond if we just get LB and striker etc filled with transformative quality.

We've sold Appiah and Cash for large sums of money. It seems that the supposed Worrall deal would have given the club more breathing room.

We've put off getting a striker for far too long. I hope we don't have to sell under duress to keep Forest in this division.

SA.
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#70
(24-08-2021, 05:42 PM)Strawberry Avenger Wrote: We haven't maxed out our loan limit yet?

Saving money for the 'quality' signings and a class striker.  I remember when Forest used to go out and get Collymore in the 2nd division for a couple of million.  Or a Brian Roy to give us a 'touch' of class.

73%.  We can only sell if we get the value we want.  We can't have the likes of Brentford taking the pish.

Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate.  The time to do that was in the January window under Sabri.  But we stuffed it up.

We can still push for mid-table and beyond if we just get LB and striker etc filled with transformative quality.

We've sold Appiah and Cash for large sums of money.  It seems that the supposed Worrall deal would have given the club more breathing room.

We've put off getting a striker for far too long.  I hope we don't have to sell under duress to keep Forest in this division. 

SA.

Poor acquisitions put pay to that, the decision making process by the powers that be within the club are more than questionable and we have paid the price for people's mistakes and for the club being run badly, lessons definitely haven't been learnt.
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#71
wassy04 Wrote: Wrote:
(1 hour ago)DR Forest Wrote: Wrote:Not to be over dramatic but I think the next 48 hours will be season defining and possibly the most important in Nottingham Forest’s history this century.
Remember the team on Saturday are derby and if we don’t put on a decent display then the proletariat will become beyond restless.
It might certainly be defining game for CH but I would suggest Randall and Murphy start looking over their shoulders too because even the most stupid amongst the fan base will see that making no permanent outfield signings during the whole summer is what has destroyed this season, irrespective of what people think of CH’s skills.
There can only be three possible reasons why we are in this situation
1. There is no money (in which case we have been mislead)
2. We have not identified realistic targets (in which case the scouting and recruitment team are not doing their job and need replacing) or
3. We have identified realistic targets but have not correctly identified the necessary budget for those players.

Option 3 has already spawned a plethora of speculative theories; is it EM not backing us with the cash? Is it ventros hobbling Murphy? Is it Randall interfering or Murphy going off-piste in budget terms to make a ‘name’ for himself and putting a complete spanner in the works?

Whatever the reason I can see protests at the ground round the corner without a massive change.
Whatever the reason, we have either been lied to or incompetence exists in some of the crucial roles behind the scenes (which let’s be honest we’ve had years of evidence for anyway).

Sorry but please show me where we've been told there is a massive budget? All we've been told is that we're fine for FFP, that is not the same thing.
Sorry but show me where I said we had a ‘massive budget’.
I said identifying ‘realistic’ targets- ie in line with our budget, whatever that is, which presumably will have been calculated agreed and signed off at the summer meeting in Greece.
That budget may indeed have included or relied on the sale of worral or Brennan. However we don’t have to get those funds in before we make purchases; we could still buy this summer if we had the backing with subsequent sales in January.
So we are back to a funding or competence question aren’t we?



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You implied no money was a lie, Randall never said we had money, just simply that we wouldn't fail FFP. 

You are right though in that we could spend now and sell in Jan to avoid failing FFP, bit risky but that is a fair point. I wouldn't call that being lied to though, quite a big accusation. Also, perhaps one that needs to wait till after the window closes?
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#72
I'm booking a slot in my diary for next Wednesday morning. It's going to be quite a morning on our lovely forum.
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