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RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - jurgen rober - 12-02-2020
Looking at the teams at the top, most have managers who have had a few transfer windows to establish their squads. We lost Darikwa before the start of the season and had to bring in a replacement. Jenkinson is at the best useful, but is only back up to Cash who puts in so much effort every game he deserved a rest. Robinson wanted to go to prem, which is understandable and Chema wanted to go back to Spain and it was late in the window. We managed to get a back up in Bong, but that is all he is, a back up. It takes time to build not only a side but also a squad and that is not something we have given a manager previously. Even Cloughie dropped clangers with transfers - Megson, brought in and shipped off almost immediately, Sheridan, let go almost straightaway and the classic, letting Sheringham go after the first game of the season, even though he was happy to stay for the full season and replacing him with .......................Rosario. Relegation after that.
RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - Widdow - 12-02-2020
I am not sure what actual scouting went on for the January recruits (and this isnt hindsight speaking, as i said it at the time)
Da Costa, would definitely have be looked at, but he is a 29 year old who has never played outside of France and doesnt actually score many goals especially this season, so not sure what they were looking at and why they think he will make a difference in the Championship. I am sure he will prove to be the best of a bad bunch if he can settle. Age isnt really on his side though and i certainly wouldnt view this transfer as good business (IE he will suddenly be worth triple what we paid for him)
Diahkaby, perhaps they saw a player in there but at moment he looks like a headless chicken. IF any scouts had actually went to see him play for Huddersfield, then i am bemused why they would recommend him. Who ever they were need to be shown the door.
Bong, said all along this player is seriously on the decline. Just cos he played in Premier League, doesnt make him a good player in the here and now. He may be rusty (although not sure why if he has been training at Brighton, and had a few weeks now at Forest to get up to speed). He just looked terrible, as he did at Brighton (ask any of their fans). And as my point on Dihkaby, which ever scout who recommended him then they a) needs their eyesight checking and b) really consider if scouting players is the job for them. And who ever gave him a 2.5 year contract needs shooting, especially in this day and age of FFP
All we have done is help Huddersfield and Brighton get some deadwood out of their squad.
Finally, Tyler Walker - or the last resort, as thats how it felt in the last few days of the window when we brought him back from Lincoln (and having to pay compensation to Lincoln to allow him to return) as we really couldnt get any other striker in. If the plan was always to bring him back then why didnt we bring him back on Janaury 1st?? - I meant we spent all January without a striker on the bench. (Yes we did well, but no one was thinking we would have such a good january after December).
SO what scouting was involved with Walker, he is well known at club.
Therefore, have to ask what the bloody scouting team are actually doing, are Modesto and José Anigo just sitting on their arses watching DVDs?.
They had since the summer window to get a proper striker in, but in the end we got a Cap Verde international and one of our own back who was loaned out because we brought in Mir !!
RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - the jock - 12-02-2020
(12-02-2020, 01:20 PM)wassy04 Wrote:(12-02-2020, 01:16 PM)jurgen rober Wrote:(12-02-2020, 12:58 PM)wassy04 Wrote: Can I vote that I need more than one game to judge the new players?
Of the current signings made:
Samba - huge success
Sow - huge success
Silva - hit and miss, good at pressing, was still cheap and potential to improve
Mir - best forgotten
Muric - cant believe he's still here, at least the error was rectified
Jenkinson - Panic signing, maybe the worst in terms of money spent. Got lucky with Cash
Ribeiro - got better as the season has gone on, I would say a success
Semedo - looking like a miss
Adomah - gone already so clearly a miss but contributed a few times early on
Cant think of anyone else, seems like a decent summer window overall although the lack of backup to grabban was foolish. Clearly working within a fairly tight budget these last few windows sadly though
What about Ameobi - cost us nothing and sometimes looks ungainly but contributes and is IMO a decent signing and definitely value for money.
Yes great shout, another hit IMO. So with a clearly limited budget I would say the summer window was overall a success. Only mistake was not signing another striker.
I think the frustration of many is that we're not spending more to increase the chance of success as opposed to the actual results when taken in context. However with FFP we cannot afford this, we make massive losses each year and can only fund this via net player sales. Our income is very midtable and wages are still top 10 so inevitable. Without parachute payments this is the reality.
Add bostock and the departed chema too
Sow has been great but unreliable. Hes crucial really.
Add in after da costa Diakhaby and bong - not looking good for 2/3 of these already
RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - Madforit - 12-02-2020
(12-02-2020, 12:57 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote:(12-02-2020, 12:54 PM)Madforit Wrote: I think the signings that were brought in the January transfer window were made in desperation because the big man didn't want to spend too much money, they are not the problem, that lies with the recruitment team and the owner, they have been found wanting in this particular window and I don't trust them to deliver the goods that we desperately need in the summer.....which is quality, not desperation and cheapness.
Wrong.
The manager didn't want to upset the squad who had taken us into the play offs and he didn't want to disrupt the excellent team spirit. The manager got what he wanted. A pacey winger and a couple of strikers.
So you say, but from what I've seen so far, those signings made in January were out of desperation and done on the cheap.
RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - wassy04 - 12-02-2020
(12-02-2020, 01:36 PM)the jock Wrote:(12-02-2020, 01:20 PM)wassy04 Wrote:(12-02-2020, 01:16 PM)jurgen rober Wrote:(12-02-2020, 12:58 PM)wassy04 Wrote: Can I vote that I need more than one game to judge the new players?
Of the current signings made:
Samba - huge success
Sow - huge success
Silva - hit and miss, good at pressing, was still cheap and potential to improve
Mir - best forgotten
Muric - cant believe he's still here, at least the error was rectified
Jenkinson - Panic signing, maybe the worst in terms of money spent. Got lucky with Cash
Ribeiro - got better as the season has gone on, I would say a success
Semedo - looking like a miss
Adomah - gone already so clearly a miss but contributed a few times early on
Cant think of anyone else, seems like a decent summer window overall although the lack of backup to grabban was foolish. Clearly working within a fairly tight budget these last few windows sadly though
What about Ameobi - cost us nothing and sometimes looks ungainly but contributes and is IMO a decent signing and definitely value for money.
Yes great shout, another hit IMO. So with a clearly limited budget I would say the summer window was overall a success. Only mistake was not signing another striker.
I think the frustration of many is that we're not spending more to increase the chance of success as opposed to the actual results when taken in context. However with FFP we cannot afford this, we make massive losses each year and can only fund this via net player sales. Our income is very midtable and wages are still top 10 so inevitable. Without parachute payments this is the reality.
Add bostock and the departed chema too
Sow has been great but unreliable. Hes crucial really.
Add in after da costa Diakhaby and bong - not looking good for 2/3 of these already
Yep ok so Ameobi, hit, bostock clear miss, chema - average but made a profit so decent result.
I'm giving more time for Bong and Da Costa
RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - zicorice - 12-02-2020
(12-02-2020, 11:58 AM)Sausage Roll Wrote: Think I'll stay off here today. The overreaction is ridiculous. People saying they don't want to see a player play again after one match. Pathetic. Was everyone on here perfect at their new workplace on their first day.
Some perspective desperately required in some quarters.
Totally agree. As mentioned before I watched Bong alot at Brighton (whom he was 1st choice LB in promotion season AND 1st Prem season) he is a decent player. He lacks game time in recent months. It's not his fault he played last night, he should have been warming the bench.
Hopefully he wont be needed for last 14 games, but if he is I will get behind him in the hope that he gets up to full speed very quickly. I thought Jenkinson was even worse, but Bong having been out injured was brought off instead as 90 mins too much on return to football.
RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - PsychoStanleyStone - 12-02-2020
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RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - Alf - 12-02-2020
(12-02-2020, 07:50 PM)PsychoStanleyStone Wrote: .
Interesting point.
:D
RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - PsychoStanleyStone - 12-02-2020
2 Bristol City debutants have scored on their first starts in the first half, Wells and Benkovic, just saying
Paterson and Jack Hunt also very involved
I think for me, when i was thoroughly enjoying Forest and Stuart Pearce as manager, we couldn't keep hold of Jack Hunt even on loan seemed a start of a downward/plateauing in ambition that hasn't really spiked since.
that beautiful Stuart Pearce summer transfer window had been quite good but seems to of set a bit of a tone for subsequent windows
All the sounds are about PL and ambition but as with Darlow and Lascelles complicated but in effect the club are raking more than they are spending and though seeming to strengthen we actually end up weaker, Darlow, Lascelles, Britt, Antonio, Burke, Angela, Osborne, Robinson, Appiah, Aryibi, Chema, appreciate strong case for many of these sales but all we have learned so far from the Jan window is that good players are very difficult to replace, never mind strengthen and go upto another level
Upto May 2018 the accounts i could find for the club shows Debt to Capital 252%, Assets - £39.5m minus, source Duedil
Maybe it's just a case that the finances aren't good which is the feeling i get, the recruitment team could well be ambitious and frustrated they weren't backed maybe?
RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - ozzyten10 - 12-02-2020
Our finances are like they are because of poor recruitment. We have sold very well but wasted so much on quantity rather than quality. So much waste - yacob, bridcutt, muric, Mir, clough, carvalho, pants etc all costing ££££ with so little impact
RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - Alf - 13-02-2020
(12-02-2020, 10:25 PM)ozzyten10 Wrote: Our finances are like they are because of poor recruitment. We have sold very well but wasted so much on quantity rather than quality. So much waste - yacob, bridcutt, muric, Mir, clough, carvalho, pants etc all costing ££££ with so little impact
Yup.
Carvalho, Clough, Jenks, Nuno, Bridcutt, Soudani - that 24m worth of transfer fees alone! Not one of those players would be anywhere near another top 6 side.
So wasteful. We spend all this time scripping, scraping, developing youth & flogging academy players to then simply chuck it all away on dross.
If the club could sort it's recruitment structure out, and land more Antonio's & Reid's we'd be absolutely set.
We're doing so much right, it's frustrating to see all that wasted by signing players who we all know will be out the door in a few months.
RE: Would You Trust Recruitment With Summer 2020? - Redtrev - 13-02-2020
There are plenty of worthwhile transfer targets in league 1 and 2. Wonder if our recruitment team ever consider them.
Sheffield United seem do have done ok by doing that.