(12-08-2020, 10:14 AM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: Going to make a few people groan now  :) just wonder if we have a habit of bigging up players in Colback’s role and thinking than they are better than they are. Dont get me wrong he is a decent signing assuming Watson leaves but hear me out.
For starters Colback is 31 in October and 17 months older than he was when he last kicked a ball. He did well season before last, we finished 9th.

Season just gone people were discussing Watson as player of the season, for me his lack of pace was exposed badly at the end, I dont buy the fantastic passing range he supposedly had either, we couldnt string 2 passes together. He was a good pro and a leader (something we badly miss now) but nothing special. 12 months ago I was one of the few on here saying he still had a part to play, he did well but to say he is one of the best players in the league is wrong.

Before those 2 we had David Vaughn who again many went on about how good he was. He was well passed it with us and he final season we were very nearly relegated yet for some reason he escaped criticism.

 Go back further still to the season under ODriscoll, he brought in Simon Gillet and everyone waffled on about how he was an undiscovered diamond. He wasnt, he was pretty poor and was quickly replaced by perennial  Championship bench warmer Gary Gardner who again fans liked because he cracked in a couple of 30 yarders. See where I am going here?
Before him was the horrendous season under Cotterill who played Jonathan Greening in the same role, he literally needed a zimmer frame to get up and down the pitch but yet again for some reason most seemed to like him. Before him Guy Moussi, great competitor and character, some brilliant games (Derby away) and some where he was pretty terrible too.

Maybe it is the natural tendency to root for the unglamorous DCM role but it is a vital one in how we currently set up. Seems to me we havent had a really good player in this role for a long time, in fact Colback stands out on that list as being the best. Just think he is best of a very average bunch.

(12-08-2020, 01:06 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: McKenna was quality yes but hewasnt a DCM, much more of a playmaker. We played more of a traditional 442 in those days, McKenna and Cohen in the centre. That was about the last time I remember a Forest side dominating the midfield in games regularly though which goes to show.

(12-08-2020, 01:34 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(12-08-2020, 01:06 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: McKenna was quality yes but hewasnt a DCM, much more of a playmaker. We played more of a traditional 442 in those days, McKenna and Cohen in the centre. That was about the last time I remember a Forest side dominating the midfield in games regularly though which goes to show.

I miss 4-4-2. Gives creative CM's time and space on the ball. Would only work these days if every team played it.

(12-08-2020, 01:52 PM)GaribaldiRED Wrote:

(12-08-2020, 01:34 PM)Paplane Wrote:

(12-08-2020, 01:06 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote: McKenna was quality yes but hewasnt a DCM, much more of a playmaker. We played more of a traditional 442 in those days, McKenna and Cohen in the centre. That was about the last time I remember a Forest side dominating the midfield in games regularly though which goes to show.

I miss 4-4-2. Gives creative CM's time and space on the ball. Would only work these days if every team played it.

Don't understand what you mean Paplane. You have many teams that play 4-4-2 and are successful doing just that.

(12-08-2020, 02:53 PM)Sniffer Dog Wrote: If Watson leaves I wouldn't be surprised to see Colback named captain. We have Dawson of course but he won't play much.