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RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - McDurban - 08-08-2022
(08-08-2022, 10:19 AM)wassy04 Wrote: I make that Worrall and Brennan now that have been written off by a few people
Yatesy massively benefitting from being injured to avoid being scapegoated. In fact his value is rocketing due to missing that game in many people's eyes!
We know Colback is a backup, so not sure what the point of criticising him. He's also in the back end of his career, will still be a good sub in games.
I have not written Brennan off
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - McDurban - 08-08-2022
(08-08-2022, 10:10 AM)Paplane Wrote:(08-08-2022, 09:56 AM)jason Wrote: Hello everyone , this is the first time iv posted on any forum about forest but il be very very honest the team what was put out on sat is not good enough as soon as i seen the line up i thought right away no its not going to happen .
Worrall is not good enough for the PL simple as that i watched him in a few of the friendly's and a few times he got tuned inside out and it will happen a lot in the PL
Colback not good enough if he was PL player would Newcastle of let him go , i dont think so .
Toffolo same not good enough for the PL may be a good back up but defiantly not good enough for week in week out matches like this .
Surridge not good enough if he was a PL team would of came in for him when we brought the player.
when we have a club record sat on the bench and we play Surridge im thinking why ? chuck him in and same with mangala , put them in the side to play .
then bench it was a championship bench mbe soh ,mighten ,taylor cafu, hammond all not good enough , when we have all them which are good championship players maybe a few good back ups then im afraid we will loose a lot more than we win .
sorry if im a bit brutal on the team but thats just how i feel . we have not got the time to mess around get these players they want get them in the team or we will be in a relegation battle a lot sooner than we think .
Agree with some of that Jason and disagree with other bits. I just wanted to pick you up on Worrall though. He's always going to look exposed as our right wing bank bombs on in our system and Wozza has to come across and cover the exposed winger, which is fine if you're playing a back 3. The key is that a holding midfielder must pull back and cover Wozza when it happens so he's not one on one. I thought he looked ok on Saturday against that St Maximin speed merchant lad. In fact, the entire defence was never really taken apart on Saturday. They stayed organised and looked ok-ish. Don't get me wrong, we were poor in an offensive way but the defence looked stoic and relatively organised imo. Also it sounds like Cook was actually going to start in place of Niakhate so the late change will have been a disruption to the side too.
I think Worrall had a decent game.
The sustained pressure finally told in the 2nd half.
They played most of the game on the edge of the box.
A stronger midfield pairing would relieve the amount of sustained attack they came under.
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - wassy04 - 08-08-2022
(08-08-2022, 11:23 AM)McDurban Wrote:(08-08-2022, 10:19 AM)wassy04 Wrote: I make that Worrall and Brennan now that have been written off by a few people
Yatesy massively benefitting from being injured to avoid being scapegoated. In fact his value is rocketing due to missing that game in many people's eyes!
We know Colback is a backup, so not sure what the point of criticising him. He's also in the back end of his career, will still be a good sub in games.
I have not written Brennan off
Not to labour the point but "I'm beginning to suspect that Johnson isn't going to be 1st choice."
I acknowledge that it's polite and not a particularly aggressive criticism however suggesting you think he's not going to be 1st choice is 100% writing him off, or at the very least the start of writing him off. Suggesting the star player is not going to be 1st choice, is a big statement.
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - Plymouth red - 08-08-2022
So we lose to Newcastle and every signing we made is shite and all our players from last season aren't good enough.
God knows what the reaction will be if we beat West ham.
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - Salvatore Matrecano - 08-08-2022
(08-08-2022, 11:35 AM)Plymouth red Wrote: So we lose to Newcastle and every signing we made is shite and all our players from last season aren't good enough.
God knows what the reaction will be if we beat West ham.
I know what you are getting at PR but if players can only be either brilliant or shite then this forum isnt for you, stick to Twitter.
We are discussing what we have seen. Believe it or not Brennan isnt the best player in the world, Worrall has off days, not all our new signings will tear up the PL, some may well prove not to be good enough which happens every year with every club. None of that means they are all shite.
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - wassy04 - 08-08-2022
(08-08-2022, 12:05 PM)Salvatore Matrecano Wrote:(08-08-2022, 11:35 AM)Plymouth red Wrote: So we lose to Newcastle and every signing we made is shite and all our players from last season aren't good enough.
God knows what the reaction will be if we beat West ham.
I know what you are getting at PR but if players can only be either brilliant or shite then this forum isnt for you, stick to Twitter.
We are discussing what we have seen. Believe it or not Brennan isnt the best player in the world, Worrall has off days, not all our new signings will tear up the PL, some may well prove not to be good enough which happens every year with every club. None of that means they are all shite.
Pretty sure he was saying that people are writing everyone off way too early.
Someone above said "Worrall is not good enough for the prem, simple as that". Where's the discussion there?!
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - Salvatore Matrecano - 08-08-2022
Fair enough Wassy sorry for taking the bait, as long as it’s a reasoned argument then opinions are fine.
As for Worrall it’s pretty clear he would have got a PL move had we not been promoted all be it not to one of the bigger clubs so let’s all give him a chance. I see he was on twitter this morning, he certainly acts and talks like a true captain.
Attitude can take you a long way in the game, just ask Wes Morgan
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 08-08-2022
(08-08-2022, 11:35 AM)Plymouth red Wrote: So we lose to Newcastle and every signing we made is shite and all our players from last season aren't good enough.
God knows what the reaction will be if we beat West ham.
Nobody said that lets keep it real.
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - Sniffer Dog (Admin) - 08-08-2022
We had a disappointing performance on Saturday at Newcastle and all we are doing is discussing it.
We are allowed to do that, there is nothing wrong with it.
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - Plymouth red - 08-08-2022
(08-08-2022, 12:47 PM)Sniffer Dog (Admin) Wrote:(08-08-2022, 11:35 AM)Plymouth red Wrote: So we lose to Newcastle and every signing we made is shite and all our players from last season aren't good enough.
God knows what the reaction will be if we beat West ham.
Nobody said that lets keep it real.
I think my point is that I'm reading huge over reactions to the first game back in the premier for the first time in 23 years from some. No one should be satisfied with this performance but I find it incredible that some people are suggesting either our new players or existing plaers are not good enough. Impossible to say at this stage.
Apologies for the hyperbole but feel some need perspective of where we are and what we are. We should accept that there is still much to do and we need to acclimatise. People reading way to much into things.
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - jason - 08-08-2022
my point in my post is we had four players that are just not good enough for the PL , one player ok but four , we going to loose no matter who it is in we play in the PL , the bench was a championship bench no where near good enough for the PL . Look at the next few matches we don't have the time to mess around if we pay out millions for a player put him in the starting line up not on the bench and pick championship players over them.
RE: Newcastle United - Nottingham Forest - wassy04 - 08-08-2022
(08-08-2022, 02:31 PM)jason Wrote: my point in my post is we had four players that are just not good enough for the PL , one player ok but four , we going to loose no matter who it is in we play in the PL , the bench was a championship bench no where near good enough for the PL . Look at the next few matches we don't have the time to mess around if we pay out millions for a player put him in the starting line up not on the bench and pick championship players over them.
Two of those are due to injury and are backups tbf to the team. There are 37 games not 3 in a season FYI.
I firmly believe Worrall is good enough for the PL and I could not disagree with you more on that one. What are you basing he's not good enough on? If we'd not gone up he'd likely have moved to the prem anyway. He may not be rapid but you don't need speed to be a good CB necessarily.
I do actually agree on Taiwo, Surridge wasn't first choice last year. Arguably been quite unlucky that we went up as he would've been the focal point of the attack in the championship, whereas he likely won't get much gametime this year in comparison. However if Cooper thinks Taiwo isn't good enough I hope we're still in the market for a new striker.