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Not writing him off just yet, but if someone offered 13m for him tomorrow I'd snap their hands off.
MON gets the best from lesser players, and we could nab a 3-4m player who suits MON's style better, and ultimately contributes more than Carva too.
It'd be a bit of a short term thing to do and sacrificing a player who could ultimately be a quality Prem level player, but as we're run by short term owners we may have to cut our cloth accordingly.
Shame coz he's great to watch on his day, but we are where we are.
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Karanka bought the 3 Portuguese and soudani to improve our offence . not one of them are in our starting 11 unfortunately nor is grabban at the moment.
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(05-03-2019, 12:04 PM)NG3 Wrote: (05-03-2019, 11:55 AM)the jock Wrote: Karanka bought the 3 Portuguese and soudani to improve our offence . not one of them are in our starting 11 unfortunately nor is grabban at the moment.
The biggest spending spree in the clubs history & not one of them in the team.
If Karanka hadn't left you'd have to consider sacking him for that alone.
Does make you wonder if that was part of it.
Also, Carv was dropped immediately after AK left. Was he playing him because he had to play him to save his job?
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(05-03-2019, 12:04 PM)NG3 Wrote: (05-03-2019, 11:55 AM)the jock Wrote: Karanka bought the 3 Portuguese and soudani to improve our offence . not one of them are in our starting 11 unfortunately nor is grabban at the moment.
The biggest spending spree in the clubs history & not one of them in the team.
If Karanka hadn't left you'd have to consider sacking him for that alone.
breaking your transfer fee record you should be getting a proven performer not a maybe.
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Keiran Dowel played well last night, and has been playing well for Sheff Utd since he went there. He has undoubted quality but faded badly when he was with us. Wilson at the Sheep Dip was tearing up the league but now has faded, as have a few other of their young players.
It's what happens to young talent in the championship after Christmas. The rigours of the demading & relentless league, on top of them learning how to be senior pros, and then having to deal with poor weather, injuries, pressures to get results etc gets too much and they burn out and fade.
Carvalho is a similar age to those others I've mentioned and will be having similar issues. And, on top of all that, he's also living in a foreign country and dealing with that too. I've not writing him off yet, just maybe this season, or this part of the season.
He'll probably be on fire again in August, after a rest, some time at home and an O'Neil pre-season under his belt.
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if we could get 13 mill back it would be great.
majewski in his first season was every bit as good and he only cost 1 mill.
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(05-03-2019, 12:50 PM)NG3 Wrote: (05-03-2019, 12:37 PM)Paplane Wrote: Keiran Dowel played well last night, and has been playing well for Sheff Utd since he went there. He has undoubted quality but faded badly when he was with us. Wilson at the Sheep Dip was tearing up the league but now has faded, as have a few other of their young players.
It's what happens to young talent in the championship after Christmas. The rigours of the demading & relentless league, on top of them learning how to be senior pros, and then having to deal with poor weather, injuries, pressures to get results etc gets too much and they burn out and fade.
Carvalho is a similar age to those others I've mentioned and will be having similar issues. And, on top of all that, he's also living in a foreign country and dealing with that too.
The issues were 100% to be expected, which is why you don't spend £13m on such a player & leave him with no back up.
The player isn't a bad player (albeit grossly overpriced), so the problem wasn't the player, it was bad management.
Yes, bad management by AK perhaps but Lampard has suffered similar over there. And he has half a team of youngsters who are suffering. It's got so bad for him, if he weren't Frank Lampard he'd be looking square at the sack now. So it's maybe not as obvious as we're saying.
Maybe if Dias and Goncalves had been preforming well AK could've rested Carvalho without loss of reputation with the owner.
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(05-03-2019, 12:42 PM)the jock Wrote: if we could get 13 mill back it would be great.
majewski in his first season was every bit as good and he only cost 1 mill.
Raddi was better then Carvalho ...not only for half a season but for two seasons ....he started to drift away on his third season ...
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(05-03-2019, 01:00 PM)Paplane Wrote: (05-03-2019, 12:50 PM)NG3 Wrote: (05-03-2019, 12:37 PM)Paplane Wrote: Keiran Dowel played well last night, and has been playing well for Sheff Utd since he went there. He has undoubted quality but faded badly when he was with us. Wilson at the Sheep Dip was tearing up the league but now has faded, as have a few other of their young players.
It's what happens to young talent in the championship after Christmas. The rigours of the demading & relentless league, on top of them learning how to be senior pros, and then having to deal with poor weather, injuries, pressures to get results etc gets too much and they burn out and fade.
Carvalho is a similar age to those others I've mentioned and will be having similar issues. And, on top of all that, he's also living in a foreign country and dealing with that too.
The issues were 100% to be expected, which is why you don't spend £13m on such a player & leave him with no back up.
The player isn't a bad player (albeit grossly overpriced), so the problem wasn't the player, it was bad management.
Yes, bad management by AK perhaps but Lampard has suffered similar over there. And he has half a team of youngsters who are suffering. It's got so bad for him, if he weren't Frank Lampard he'd be looking square at the sack now. So it's maybe not as obvious as we're saying.
Maybe if Dias and Goncalves had been preforming well AK could've rested Carvalho without loss of reputation with the owner.
AK couldnt afford to `rest` his 13 million pound signing ...the other two yes, cause come the end of the season they would return to their parent club, but with Carvalho he was stuck...he had to justify the money spent. Not playing him (resting him early in the season) was like admiting that the money was badly spent.
As other mentioned further up, it seems that from all the signings that AK did, only Lolley is the player that can be resold at a profit, not even Colback (that to a certain extent has been an ever present in the team) we can sell as he is not even ours ....
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the more you read this thread the more you end up depressed :-( .... we had money and we threw it way .... having MON and RK might be a blessing now as I the guys have Forest in their blood and apart from trying their best to make do with what we have, they will also be a bit careful on who to sign, at what cost and also duration of contracts....
from the boys signed in January, the one player I think is underused is Bonatini. He scored goals last season with Wolves, so he knows the division, but to do it he need to be on the pitch and not on the bench. Having a bad game two weeks ago (following months of inactivity) shouldnt make him a bad player and relegate him to the bench for the next three...to play Murphy instead..
For Pele and Wague I am still on the fence .... they are not playing enough or at all, thus signing them following the end of their loan, seems unlikely ... when you look at our squad you will see too many players that are on test and waiting to know their future after the end of this season .... not an easy task for MON
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Can’t believe people are writing Carvalho off already I really can’t.
Our best football of the season and probably in the last few years was with Carvalho playing the advanced midfield role with Grabban firing on all cylinders with Lolley and Cash either side of the attacking three.
And what do we have now?? A 96 year old Murphy and an ever anonymous Osborn. No wonder we’re putting in such spineless performances like we did at Stoke on Saturday.
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Employing AK was short sighted beyond belief. Not because he's a bad manager, but because we're not a club who can afford to fund his methods.
The board should have been prepared for 2.5 seasons worth of constant player changes like he had at Boro. 25m was a snip of what he would have ultimately spent here, and the Jan signings shows where we are really at as a club.
MON suits the club far better. He can get results from players way more suited to our budget.
Although it matters little who manages the club if the people up top only give them 6 months of the season to get promoted.
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(05-03-2019, 02:45 PM)TheGreenMan Wrote: Can’t believe people are writing Carvalho off already I really can’t.
Our best football of the season and probably in the last few years was with Carvalho playing the advanced midfield role with Grabban firing on all cylinders with Lolley and Cash either side of the attacking three.
And what do we have now?? A 96 year old Murphy and an ever anonymous Osborn. No wonder we’re putting in such spineless performances like we did at Stoke on Saturday.
That's because Grabban is injured.
You slag the side off with Murphy up front as if that's through choice not force.
I'm pretty sure we'd be playing Grabban if he was fit.
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(05-03-2019, 03:06 PM)NG3 Wrote: (05-03-2019, 02:58 PM)Supa Billy Davies Wrote: Although it matters little who manages the club if the people up top only give them 6 months of the season to get promoted.
To be fair they've not sacked anyone based on league positions yet, so we have no evidence of impatience in that area yet, outside of a few fan conspiracy theories.
MW left as a victim of the FMP v IV fall out & AK left due to just about everything being wrong, but league results haven't come in to play, yet.
Yeah fair shout. Let's hope MON gets fully back both in terms of time & money.
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Just been thinking I wonder over the years how many foreign imports (not counting the ones who already had championship experience) we’ve spent money on that haven’t worked out.
I bet overall it’s the cost of a a top notch striker, winger and ACM
Scouting has been awful over the years, and looks like certain agents have had our leg up.
I do think though that Carvs career here hasn’t been managed well and it’s looking like he’s just given up, I had hoped when he got his chance he would’ve taken it, even if playing to get a good move elsewhere.
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