Francois Modesto

[Turkish]

Not sure how we are defining our signings but from what I can see they have done a good job

Samba - Excellent signing will probably get premier league games at some stage in his career and is worth more than we paid on the pitch he is always worth a watch as well as being talented and is destined to be the best keeper we have had in years

Ribeiro - Definitely not S**t, difficult to say with the amount of injuries but on the basis of what I've seen if he gets fit and stays fit he could be every bit as good a signing as Samba

Chema - Definitely not S**t and very late to the party, if there is interest in him we should only sell if he is not enjoying the UK as he is showing signs of being a good player and has not disgraced himself playing out of position, wouldn't suggest he is going up in terms of estimation but Ok

Sow - Shame about the injuries shame about his age otherwise he'd be talked about as one of the finds of the season across the league, hopefully we can get him match fit as he's a bloody handful straight off a lay off

Jenkinson is unfair to judge with the injury however you could argue that was coming and also it looks less of a signing because of Cash emerging as a full back hindsight is a wonderful thing also solid mentions to Ameobi and Uncle Albert

As for the loan market firstly we don't target our main signings as loan signings we just don't go after the big ticket loanees from the EPL some clubs do they I'm glad we don't invest in what you own is a decent policy so therefore all our loans were high risk stocking fillers barring the kid from Man C who could and should have been better but besides that our S**t signings have had little impact and are not disruptive

The only screw up of the summer was who we didn't sign namely a striker but we could easily reap the rewards of that in the long run, its a big investment and if your not ready your not ready better that than previous years of wasting money on panic signings no matter the need

Finally on the transfer front you have to look at the overall balance within the club and credit or demerits given for getting it right or wrong and from what I can see we have a good set of players where talks of divisions in the dressing room, toxic atmospheres and poor discipline are things of the past or at least enough of a togetherness to close ranks and keep it professional so from what I can see the transfer policy is succeeding and having its desired effect which was to turn us from pretenders to contenders, this has been achieved even if we are going through a bad run of form, the championship is about confidence back to back to back S**t wins soon turns into expansive play as quick as pissing with the team at Wigan can derail the team for weeks if not months

[Alf]

Not sure how anyone can say they've done a "good job" by bringing Mir & Bonatini to the club 0 golas in 1/2 a season each with us - whilst ignoring Walker who's scored 10 in 22 in his half season this year. Particularly in a position where we only have 1 recognized striker.

They've failed to bring a decent backup striker & winger to the club in 2 windows, whilst loaning out a goalscoring striker who has also played out wide.

Regardless of their incoming signings, the failure to recognize the priority areas which required signings, and ignoring players we have on our books which fill those voids, gives them an average mark from me at best.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I agree Mark, I think they have done a good job too.

Looking back at the so called S**t signings none of them can be contributed to Modesto in my opinion.

Pantilimon, Clough, Cummings, Mckay, Murphy etc nothing to do with Modesto, he wasn't even at the club.

Carvalho, Dias, Goncalves, Mir, Bonatini etc are all Mendes related, perhaps not all Menses clients but he is linked to their agents. so also nothing to do with Modesto.

The only one of Modesto's signings I would question is Bostock but that is no great loss.

[stirred]

We have continued to make poor loan signings. Muric and Mir have contributed negatively, Bostock almost none, and I assume at least 2 of those will be on their way back in January. Semedo is hit and miss. Mostly miss so far.

I think the summer permanent transfers were mostly good first team additions, whether first choice 11 or able to come in through rotation/injury/loss of form which is valuable given the Champ fixture schedule; Samba, Sow, Ribeiro, Silva, Chema.

So far, for the permanent signings, so good. Decent additions, with not a lot of money spent.

Jenkinson was a disappointing signing for me though I assume a bit of a panic buy given the injury to Darikwa and the end of the transfer window looming.

The real weakness we have left is in the attacking third. The lack of a second striker - the lack of a different option (height, physicality) - lack of a quality winger, general lack of pace up there. Ameobi was a decent free signing, but shouldn’t be relied on for the above qualities as a first choice starter. Adomah’s best days seem to have gone. Mir is simply not good enough. This is the real problem with the summer business. It was an obvious need, and it didn’t get adequately addressed.

It seems we were trying for another forward in the summer that didn’t come off and left us short. I think the problem is not so much the (permanent) signings we made, so much as the (permanent) signings we didn’t make. Targeted quality to fill those gaps is what we need in January.

I’m not sure who is responsible for each of the signings made, but it seems that our newish transfer team have a decent hit vs miss record, whereas the Mendes signings includes Goncalves, Gil Dias, £13.2m for Carvalho, Bonatini, Mir, Semedo. The likes of Mendes and Raiola, I think, can fk off. I’d be more comfortable with our own transfer team picking the right players.

[Jean_claude_killy]

Not sure how people who were not at the Club at the time can be blamed for signing Bonatini; if you look at the agency he is with you can take a good guess who had his finger prints all over that loan

As for priority areas; there was quite a few of those at the beginning of the season; less so now.

Besides that, knowing what players you want and getting them are two totally different things; expecting a relatively new recruitment and scouting team to sign every single target in one window is a tad naive; expecting every single signing to turn out good more so.

When you consider the close season upheaval, the boys in charge of recruitment have done a great job; we look much stronger in some areas, paper thin in others, with hopefully more to come.

Walker can score all the goals he likes at a lower level, he has not displayed the remotest signs that he can do it at Championship level.

Sending him out was absolutely the right thing to do; get rid while he still has a value.

If we bring him back, then to me it suggests there is no money to spend

[ozzyten10]

Don’t know who sits in the box next to dugout but at the start of the match they pointed x2 Wigan players out- think one was Massey and one was Robinson - wouldn’t mind robinson

[ThePromisedLand]

Does anyone know who was responsible for the various permanent & loan signings this calendar year?
I haven’t a clue.

[Alf Garnett]

Does anyone know who was responsible for the various permanent & loan signings this calendar year?
I haven’t a clue.

It's probably not so black and white but I would guess that French connected players are down to Modesto and the Portuguese and Spanish connected players are Mendes related.

I think that is what Sniffer was hinting at.

[Jean_claude_killy]

Just been looking back at what was being reported last June; Dourekos and Vrentzos were in Portugal scouting players; MON and our Goal Keeping Coach were in Estonia looking at Muric; the NEP reported that Carvalho was going to Olympiakos, which was a whole five Months before the rumour appeared on Hans Christian Nixon's radar.


Other than a report when he arrived at the Club last December I cant find any mention of Modesto until Lamouchi arrived; Anigo was rumoured to be working for us but that did not get confirmed until two Months ago.

Hopefully the fact that neither Modesto or Anigo have been in the press over the last Month means they have some rabbits to pull out of their respective hats over the next couple of weeks.

[Strawberry Avenger]

We have continued to make poor loan signings. Muric and Mir have contributed negatively, Bostock almost none, and I assume at least 2 of those will be on their way back in January. Semedo is hit and miss. Mostly miss so far.

I think the summer permanent transfers were mostly good first team additions, whether first choice 11 or able to come in through rotation/injury/loss of form which is valuable given the Champ fixture schedule; Samba, Sow, Ribeiro, Silva, Chema.

So far, for the permanent signings, so good. Decent additions, with not a lot of money spent.

Jenkinson was a disappointing signing for me though I assume a bit of a panic buy given the injury to Darikwa and the end of the transfer window looming.

The real weakness we have left is in the attacking third. The lack of a second striker - the lack of a different option (height, physicality) - lack of a quality winger, general lack of pace up there. Ameobi was a decent free signing, but shouldn’t be relied on for the above qualities as a first choice starter. Adomah’s best days seem to have gone. Mir is simply not good enough. This is the real problem with the summer business. It was an obvious need, and it didn’t get adequately addressed.

It seems we were trying for another forward in the summer that didn’t come off and left us short. I think the problem is not so much the (permanent) signings we made, so much as the (permanent) signings we didn’t make. Targeted quality to fill those gaps is what we need in January.

I’m not sure who is responsible for each of the signings made, but it seems that our newish transfer team have a decent hit vs miss record, whereas the Mendes signings includes Goncalves, Gil Dias, £13.2m for Carvalho, Bonatini, Mir, Semedo. The likes of Mendes and Raiola, I think, can fk off. I’d be more comfortable with our own transfer team picking the right players.

Decent post. 

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Don’t know who sits in the box next to dugout but at the start of the match they pointed x2 Wigan players out- think one was Massey and one was Robinson - wouldn’t mind robinson

A fine line between success and failure in the Championship.  Wigan have been a stern test to Forest twice and still sit bottom of the league.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

I agree Mark, I think they have done a good job too.

Looking back at the so called S**t signings none of them can be contributed to Modesto in my opinion.

Pantilimon, Clough, Cummings, Mckay, Murphy etc nothing to do with Modesto, he wasn't even at the club.

Carvalho, Dias, Goncalves, Mir, Bonatini etc are all Mendes related, perhaps not all Menses clients but he is linked to their agents. so also nothing to do with Modesto.

The only one of Modesto's signings I would question is Bostock but that is no great loss.

Bostock sounded promising 'on paper.'

But the game isn't played on paper.  Same with the rest of them.

A lot of those names haven't payed off at all.  11 players.  That's a poor hit rate.  Well 10.

Well, minus one, Murphy's goals kept Forest up in Warburton season.  Without them, Forest would have been down and out.

We'll not mention 'snow gate.'

Hopefully scattergun recruitment is a thing of the past, it was a means to an end, to buy Forest time to get a 'professional' team in place.  'Crisis' Management, if you well.

The general direction is up and forwards.  Even the recent 7 game debacle has to be put in the context of a wider picture.

January will tell us more about the new team's recruitment powers.

SA.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Modesto going to Roma.

Another one who failed to impress at Forest but is now going on to bigger and better things.