A Case for the Offense
#1
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When will Sabri learn, the best form of defence is attack. Look at the best defensive records in the league, the likes of Leeds, Brentford, West Brom, are all offensive teams who score goals and look at where they are in the table. Forest have scored just 57 goals, yet remarkably are still in top 6 with them. Our results based on defending a lead when we get it. The issue is we haven’t been defending all that great and at the same time, if we don’t kill games off we, of course, are liable to all the injury time goals that can ruin 90 minutes of football.

Barnsley attacking style made us look like the side threatened with relegation, it seemed Sabri, was the manager most under pressure, and selected players in the hope of getting the point required to make the playoffs, he simply got it wrong.

Now isn't the time to change formation, it is to let the side play with a little bit of freedom, attack, attack, attack! Sabri style is to let the opposition have the ball, sit back, tight and wait for a counter-attacking. Yes, that system has put Forest within a whisker of the playoffs, but it’s hard viewing and we seem to be getting more and more negative.

I believe Sabri will learn from this, but I am not so sure he will change his style of play. Maybe next season the attacking players brought in by the likes of Modesto and Angio will give him the confidence to go for it and play in a way to push teams and get them to worry about us. Bielsa learnt a lot in his first season at Leeds and is another manager who sticks to his principles of how the game should be played. The difference is though is that is based on a high press and attack.

Ironically, of course, two teams we have done well against this year are Leeds and Brentford. The two teams with the best defence and attacking threat. They do say it’s a strange old game.

I don’t get that player are tired or injured etc. Every team is suffering from the relentless number of fixtures in a short space of time. We seem to be using it as an excuse for lacklustre displays.

Where’s the passion, where’s the leadership? I mean we keep hearing we have lots of captains and leaders at the club, 4 played on Sunday, but I didn’t see Dawson, Watson, Worrall and Grabban roll their sleeves up and push on their teammates. We need them to show their experience and a level of play and performance befitting being a captain in all of them, even if they don't have the armband.

All said, I  believe it’s time to put up a case for the offense, starting against Stoke on Wednesday and you never know, suddenly letting the brakes off, Sabri May pull off the greatest trick of all, (Keyser Soze style), convincing teams all season we can only play in a defensive style and get them complacent so we can bamboozle with them with attacking intent!
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(20-07-2020, 12:01 PM)Widdow Wrote: When will Sabri learn, the best form of defence is attack. Look at the best defensive records in the league, the likes of Leeds, Brentford, West Brom, are all offensive teams who score goals and look at where they are in the table. Forest have scored just 57 goals, yet remarkably are still in top 6 with them. Our results based on defending a lead when we get it. The issue is we haven’t been defending all that great and at the same time, if we don’t kill games off we, of course, are liable to all the injury time goals that can ruin 90 minutes of football.

Barnsley attacking style made us look like the side threatened with relegation, it seemed Sabri, was the manager most under pressure, and selected players in the hope of getting the point required to make the playoffs, he simply got it wrong.

Now isn't the time to change formation, it is to let the side play with a little bit of freedom, attack, attack, attack! Sabri style is to let the opposition have the ball, sit back, tight and wait for a counter-attacking. Yes, that system has put Forest within a whisker of the playoffs, but it’s hard viewing and we seem to be getting more and more negative.

I believe Sabri will learn from this, but I am not so sure he will change his style of play. Maybe next season the attacking players brought in by the likes of Modesto and Angio will give him the confidence to go for it and play in a way to push teams and get them to worry about us. Bielsa learnt a lot in his first season at Leeds and is another manager who sticks to his principles of how the game should be played. The difference is though is that is based on a high press and attack.

Ironically, of course, two teams we have done well against this year are Leeds and Brentford. The two teams with the best defence and attacking threat. They do say it’s a strange old game.

I don’t get that player are tired or injured etc. Every team is suffering from the relentless number of fixtures in a short space of time. We seem to be using it as an excuse for lacklustre displays.

Where’s the passion, where’s the leadership? I mean we keep hearing we have lots of captains and leaders at the club, 4 played on Sunday, but I didn’t see Dawson, Watson, Worrall and Grabban roll their sleeves up and push on their teammates. We need them to show their experience and a level of play and performance befitting being a captain in all of them, even if they don't have the armband.

All said, I  believe it’s time to put up a case for the offense, starting against Stoke on Wednesday and you never know, suddenly letting the brakes off, Sabri May pull off the greatest trick of all, (Keyser Soze style), convincing teams all season we can only play in a defensive style and get them complacent so we can bamboozle with them with attacking intent!

When he's brought on Ameobi and Silva in the last third of games recently we've looked like a really decent side going forward. His trouble is, we have absolutely no strength in depth for offensive players. Diakhaby, Walker, Clough, Mighten, Semedo, Carvalho all either not ready or failures.
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#3
Well that does go back to the dreadful January transfer window where I have continually said would derail our promotion bid

Not only Sabri should learn from this season but Modesto and Angio Must also, they have now a several windows now and the next one is key, as we need significant improvement, even more so if we get promoted.
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#4
I totally agree window.
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#5
Football at amateur level is all about enjoyment playing and socializing with your mates. If however you are good and lucky enough to play for a professional team and are also well payed for doing so, then you owe it to the clubs supporters to entertain as we pay good money for the privilege of watching matches. This should also apply to the management team and owners of every club. OBH never bothered about the opposition it was WE did on the pitch that mattered, I know that football has change since the glory days but a negative approach to games especially at home is not the way forward and I believe will not be tolerated for long by the majority of our supporters. Sabri need to man-up and start getting the lads to impose OUR game on opposition and that means from the FIRST minute of games starting Wednesday!
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#6
We had the January window to press our case.

Yesterday was capitulation against a team that had more fight.

A how badly do you want it.

Forest had some leaders on the pitch. Worral. Dawson. Sow. Yates. Beno.

But no one to put their foot on the ball.

SA.
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#7
Problem is Sabri probably blames Watson for trying to go through when grabs had a chance to pass- took him out of position and they ended up scoring.
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#8
Personally I'm fine with negative football if its effective, means to an end in the current situation where we have such a disparity in budgets. However in latter stages of games we do seem to be getting pushed just a little too far back.

Obviously not defending the shambles yesterday, embarrasing management.
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#9
He's to cautious and far too defensive, I honestly don't think he will learn or change his approach to games it's not in his dna or game plan.
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#10
Sunday. Despair.

SAbri had that Frank Clark vibe just before he lost his job.

Like he didn't have any answers.

And the team played that way.

SA.
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#11
(20-07-2020, 02:34 PM)Madforit Wrote: He's to cautious and far too defensive, I honestly don't think he will learn or change his approach to games it's not in his dna or game plan.

Well...he's got us into the top 6.   And a contract ext.

hes got far more right by the grace of Sow than he got wrong.

if not for Sow...I think he'd be out of a job.

 It's down to gd to save our necks if forest and Sabri bottle it again v Stoke.

SA.
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#12
(20-07-2020, 12:22 PM)Widdow Wrote: Well that does go back to the dreadful January transfer window where I have continually said would derail our promotion bid

Not only Sabri should learn from this season but Modesto and Angio Must also, they have now a several windows now and the next one is key, as we need significant improvement, even more so if we get promoted.

Fair comment Widdow, can't really disagree with you to be honest.
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