Manchester United - Nottingham Forest

[wassy04]

Im being realistic now. Im hearing " Give Morato more game time",  "give Ndoye a chance",  "play Bakwa".

How long do you want to give these players. How many poor performances and results are they going to cost us?
How many managers will lose their jobs waiting for them to come good?
Are you happy to be in 19th place whilst they are making mistakes?

Im not writing off all of them by any means but I am saying if we are relying on these players as our core squad next season I suspect we will be in trouble again.

Agreed, also to add to this we haven't got Europa anymore so most of these guys aren't going to get much gametime anyway.

I think wide forward in particular was a key weakness for us this season, not sure we can risk letting these guys continue to learn on the job. Maybe MGW playing out wide solves one of the problems and this allows Mcatee/Jesus more game time.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

But who's to say new players we bring in will be instant successes? We just don't know. We're not lucky enough to be able to shell out on a lot of sure-fire hits.

Get real. I quite like Morato, he tries 100% but he makes mistakes, likely always will. Ndoye is 25 now and is highly experienced. if he cant beat a man now he never will. Not saying both are useless but neither are good enough unless you want to be in another relegation battle.

The likes of Bakwa and Hutchinson may yet come good but both need to show far more. No buying more doesn't guarantee success, buying more players isnt something this club is exactly shy of doing anyway. Just saying I think the current squad needs some significant strengthening to progress.

As Wassy says we will not be playing in Europe so there probability needs to be some weeding out of those who are decent enough but not quite at PL standard which lets be honest is a higher standard than the Europa League for the majority of fixtures.

[DeesideRed]

But who's to say new players we bring in will be instant successes? We just don't know. We're not lucky enough to be able to shell out on a lot of sure-fire hits.

Get real. I quite like Morato, he tries 100% but he makes mistakes, likely always will. Ndoye is 25 now and is highly experienced. if he cant beat a man now he never will. Not saying both are useless but neither are good enough unless you want to be in another relegation battle.

The likes of Bakwa and Hutchinson may yet come good but both need to show far more. No buying more doesn't guarantee success, buying more players isnt something this club is exactly shy of doing anyway. Just saying I think the current squad needs some significant strengthening to progress.

As Wassy says we will not be playing in Europe so there probability needs to be some weeding out of those who are decent enough but not quite at PL standard which lets be honest is a higher standard than the Europa League for the majority of fixtures.

In relation to Hutch and Bakwa I think you can keep one, not both.

[Sausage Roll]

But who's to say new players we bring in will be instant successes? We just don't know. We're not lucky enough to be able to shell out on a lot of sure-fire hits.

Get real. I quite like Morato, he tries 100% but he makes mistakes, likely always will. Ndoye is 25 now and is highly experienced. if he cant beat a man now he never will. Not saying both are useless but neither are good enough unless you want to be in another relegation battle.

The likes of Bakwa and Hutchinson may yet come good but both need to show far more. No buying more doesn't guarantee success, buying more players isnt something this club is exactly shy of doing anyway. Just saying I think the current squad needs some significant strengthening to progress.

As Wassy says we will not be playing in Europe so there probability needs to be some weeding out of those who are decent enough but not quite at PL standard which lets be honest is a higher standard than the Europa League for the majority of fixtures.

I don't disagree the squad needs strengthening - that much is clear because we're finishing 15th-17th and got knocked out of both domestic cups by lower-league teams in our first matches.

All I'm saying is no player coming in is guaranteed to be a success. Probably more for the transfer thread but I'd love to see suggestions of who people think we could realistically sign to improve our options out wide and at centre half, and to mitigate the likely loss of Anderson. I don't watch enough football to make suggestions but I know many on this forum do.

[Reds73]

But who's to say new players we bring in will be instant successes? We just don't know. We're not lucky enough to be able to shell out on a lot of sure-fire hits.

Get real. I quite like Morato, he tries 100% but he makes mistakes, likely always will. Ndoye is 25 now and is highly experienced. if he cant beat a man now he never will. Not saying both are useless but neither are good enough unless you want to be in another relegation battle.

The likes of Bakwa and Hutchinson may yet come good but both need to show far more. No buying more doesn't guarantee success, buying more players isnt something this club is exactly shy of doing anyway. Just saying I think the current squad needs some significant strengthening to progress.

As Wassy says we will not be playing in Europe so there probability needs to be some weeding out of those who are decent enough but not quite at PL standard which lets be honest is a higher standard than the Europa League for the majority of fixtures.

I don't disagree the squad needs strengthening - that much is clear because we're finishing 15th-17th and got knocked out of both domestic cups by lower-league teams in our first matches.

All I'm saying is no player coming in is guaranteed to be a success. Probably more for the transfer thread but I'd love to see suggestions of who people think we could realistically sign to improve our options out wide and at centre half, and to mitigate the likely loss of Anderson. I don't watch enough football to make suggestions but I know many on this forum do.

In Hutchinson and Bakwa we have 2 players who need time.
Therefore we need somebody ready made.
Summerville and Tavernier would be 2 who instantly improve us and dont need time to settle into the Prem.
Both would be within our wage budget and the transfer fee.

[pennhillred]

Still furious about the ref and that decision.

And the way some United fans are gloating about it has reminded me why I'd despised them for so many years.

Maybe their crapness over recent times made me forget how much I truly hate them.

Room for improvement for us, of course (thought some of our defending was far too 'on the beach' and relaxed), but over the last few months and yesterday, I've seen enough to be genuinely excited for next season. More so than I was a year ago, because we were pretty poor from March on and the end of last season was so disappointing.

The end to this season has largely been a huge success.

Roll on 26/27.

[Chicago]

I agree. In a very strange way I actually enjoyed this season better than last. The nailbiting, the drama, the good performances when we needed them. Last year we were knackered. This year we seem to be going strength to strength. Also playing 3rd place Utd with a lot of players either half fit or out we gave them a game and were robbed by a bent referee decision. i cannot imagine what would have happened if EM was at this game.

Vitor has done a great job with the squad and you can see Bawka's talent. He just needs to toughen up a bit. And Morato has been decent the last few months which is scary because I thought he was useless most of the season. Wonder if Cunha pushing him lit a fire up his bum.

I think strangely next season is going to be ace. Although this is Nottingham Forest so i really should cross my fingers and toes when I say that.

Now wouldn't it be great if we deny Bournmouth the chance of Champions league and put our rotten run against them to bed.

Chicago: Hopelessly optimistic.

[Username]

But who's to say new players we bring in will be instant successes? We just don't know. We're not lucky enough to be able to shell out on a lot of sure-fire hits.

Get real. I quite like Morato, he tries 100% but he makes mistakes, likely always will. Ndoye is 25 now and is highly experienced. if he cant beat a man now he never will. Not saying both are useless but neither are good enough unless you want to be in another relegation battle.

The likes of Bakwa and Hutchinson may yet come good but both need to show far more. No buying more doesn't guarantee success, buying more players isnt something this club is exactly shy of doing anyway. Just saying I think the current squad needs some significant strengthening to progress.

As Wassy says we will not be playing in Europe so there probability needs to be some weeding out of those who are decent enough but not quite at PL standard which lets be honest is a higher standard than the Europa League for the majority of fixtures.

Murillo makes a fair amount of mistakes too, some quite obvious ones for which we’ve been punished. I’m not saying that Morato is better, I just think that the point you make is flawed. 

Also not all wingers have to beat a man, I personally rate N’Doye and believe that had he been allowed to start consistently then we’d have reaped greater rewards, I think he is more “oven ready” than either Bakwa or Hutchinson personally. Hutchinson’s successfully completed pass rate yesterday must have been around 20%. 

That said, if we got offered 20m for Morato and 30m for N’Doye then we should probably take it.

[Username]

But who's to say new players we bring in will be instant successes? We just don't know. We're not lucky enough to be able to shell out on a lot of sure-fire hits.

Get real. I quite like Morato, he tries 100% but he makes mistakes, likely always will. Ndoye is 25 now and is highly experienced. if he cant beat a man now he never will. Not saying both are useless but neither are good enough unless you want to be in another relegation battle.

The likes of Bakwa and Hutchinson may yet come good but both need to show far more. No buying more doesn't guarantee success, buying more players isnt something this club is exactly shy of doing anyway. Just saying I think the current squad needs some significant strengthening to progress.

As Wassy says we will not be playing in Europe so there probability needs to be some weeding out of those who are decent enough but not quite at PL standard which lets be honest is a higher standard than the Europa League for the majority of fixtures.

In relation to Hutch and Bakwa I think you can keep one, not both.

I agree. 

Especially if you are bringing in a Tavernier or Summerville type player.

[Sausage Roll]

Sky reporting PGMO have contacted us and admitted that the goal shouldn't have been given.

Great, thanks for that guys. Do we get an extra point then?

[Salvatore Matrecano]

But who's to say new players we bring in will be instant successes? We just don't know. We're not lucky enough to be able to shell out on a lot of sure-fire hits.

Get real. I quite like Morato, he tries 100% but he makes mistakes, likely always will. Ndoye is 25 now and is highly experienced. if he cant beat a man now he never will. Not saying both are useless but neither are good enough unless you want to be in another relegation battle.

The likes of Bakwa and Hutchinson may yet come good but both need to show far more. No buying more doesn't guarantee success, buying more players isnt something this club is exactly shy of doing anyway. Just saying I think the current squad needs some significant strengthening to progress.

As Wassy says we will not be playing in Europe so there probability needs to be some weeding out of those who are decent enough but not quite at PL standard which lets be honest is a higher standard than the Europa League for the majority of fixtures.

Murillo makes a fair amount of mistakes too, some quite obvious ones for which we’ve been punished. I’m not saying that Morato is better, I just think that the point you make is flawed. 

Also not all wingers have to beat a man, I personally rate N’Doye and believe that had he been allowed to start consistently then we’d have reaped greater rewards, I think he is more “oven ready” than either Bakwa or Hutchinson personally. Hutchinson’s successfully completed pass rate yesterday must have been around 20%. 

That said, if we got offered 20m for Morato and 30m for N’Doye then we should probably take it.

Re Murillo absolutely. He gets a pass because of last season I genuinely don’t think he has been better than Morato this season although he does have more pace.
Ndoye, if he cant beat a man it doesnt matter but he needs some sort of end product and I ve seen nothing.
Hutchinson thought it was his worst game in a long time yesterday but there is some potential.
Bakwa needs a kick up the backside IMO, the skill is there, Im less convinced about the effort.
I actually thought McAtees cameo was very good yesterday.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Sky reporting PGMO have contacted us and admitted that the goal shouldn't have been given.

Great, thanks for that guys. Do we get an extra point then?

Maybe they’ll add it back in to the 4 they took off us a couple years ago.