Nottingham Forest - Liverpool

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

We were superb for 85 minutes but started to wilt. Never really had a cutting edge despite dominating play.

The substitutions were necessary for tired legs but it is an indisputable fact that those that came on made us worse overall.

Sadly, the summer spend provided nothing in terms of a squad

I am not sure I agree.

I think our squad has underperformed and it should be higher in the table than what it is.

I don't blame recruitment I think there is more to it than that.

When are last years players who are the regular starters going to get a bit of blame?

They have thrown 2 managers under the bus this season. They also threw Cooper under the bus at Fulham. That doesn't sit right with me.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Is there more to it than recruitment? Of course there is, 2 shit managers for starters and the loss of Wood is huge, I think we are comfortably mid table with him even having an average season.

But come on Sniffer, whilst Jesus and arguably Hutchinson have been a success, the rest are woeful, its night and day when some of them come on. Give them time? We might well give them time and see how good they are vs QPR and Preston next season.

Not sure there is much more than that, the players are trying.
But whilst I have said Jesus is a success, a question for you. Who was the last Forest striker to score a PL goal at the City Ground?



Answer…..Chris Wood vs Brentford. That is damning.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

I am not saying recruitment has been great don't misunderstand me but it's too easy just to blame recruitment.

[wassy04]

Is there more to it than recruitment? Of course there is, 2 S**t managers for starters and the loss of Wood is huge, I think we are comfortably mid table with him even having an average season.

But come on Sniffer, whilst Jesus and arguably Hutchinson have been a success, the rest are woeful, its night and day when some of them come on. Give them time? We might well give them time and see how good they are vs QPR and Preston next season.

Not sure there is much more than that, the players are trying.
But whilst I have said Jesus is a success, a question for you. Who was the last Forest striker to score a PL goal at the City Ground?



Answer…..Chris Wood vs Brentford. That is damning.

Not sure I'd class Hutch as a success. Don't rate him at all personally, I'd play Mcatee or N'Doye (not with any confidence though)

[Cornish forest]

I am not saying recruitment has been great don't misunderstand me but it's too easy just to blame recruitment.

True, there’s plenty of blame to go around. But the sad reality is we are sadly a great example of poor planning/recruitment. 
Doesn’t matter we’ve got a great midfield or defence, we are woeful up front and it will relegate us regardless of how good the rest of the team is. 
We’ve spent 200 mill and we’ve been undone by an injury to our 35 year old striker. 
We needed to fix it in Jan and we couldn’t.

[DeesideRed]

Tbf there's been consistent comments throughout this forum that the first XI are fine but even one or two injuries and we are well off it. As Wassy said Hutch hasn't quite been a success albeit at least he has challenged to be in first XI. Jesus has been a reasonable but of business but isnt the striker required to replace wood.

Beyond that it's been a lot of money spent for zero impact. Yes, wood is a huge miss but he shouldn't be to the extent we get relegated having spent £200m

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Tbf there's been consistent comments throughout this forum that the first XI are fine but even one or two injuries and we are well off it. As Wassy said Hutch hasn't quite been a success albeit at least he has challenged to be in first XI. Jesus has been a reasonable but of business but isnt the striker required to replace wood.

Beyond that it's been a lot of money spent for zero impact. Yes, wood is a huge miss but he shouldn't be to the extent we get relegated having spent £200m

Yes I get that and see where you are coming from.

As you said the first X1 are fine but there lies the problem for me.

What type of players can you realistcally expect to sign for us when they know that they are not going to be in the starting eleven when everyone is fit?

This is why I keep defending recruitment a bit.

Plus 200M sounds a lot but in all honesty in this day and age it isn't.

30M doesn't get you much nowadays when top players are going for 60,70,80M

I repeat recruitment has not been perfect but that applies to every club not just us.

I just think it is too easy to just blame recruitment or just blame Edu.

The players seem to escape blame but some of their actions are questionable.

Too much player power perhaps?

If a player doesn't like a manager fair enough but surely the players owe it to the fans and to the owner (who also needs to take some responsibility) to put a proper shift in and perform to the best of their ability no matter what.

Hand on heart I don't think we have seen that from the players at times.

[northeastred]

Tbf there's been consistent comments throughout this forum that the first XI are fine but even one or two injuries and we are well off it. As Wassy said Hutch hasn't quite been a success albeit at least he has challenged to be in first XI. Jesus has been a reasonable but of business but isnt the striker required to replace wood.

Beyond that it's been a lot of money spent for zero impact. Yes, wood is a huge miss but he shouldn't be to the extent we get relegated having spent £200m

Yes I get that and see where you are coming from.

As you said the first X1 are fine but there lies the problem for me.

What type of players can you realistcally expect to sign for us when they know that they are not going to be in the starting eleven when everyone is fit?

This is why I keep defending recruitment a bit.

Plus 200M sounds a lot but in all honesty in this day and age it isn't.

30M doesn't get you much nowadays when top players are going for 60,70,80M

I repeat recruitment has not been perfect but that applies to every club not just us.

I just think it is too easy to just blame recruitment or just blame Edu.

The players seem to escape blame but some of their actions are questionable.

Too much player power perhaps?

If a player doesn't like a manager fair enough but surely the players owe it to the fans and to the owner (who also needs to take some responsibility) to put a proper shift in and perform to the best of their ability no matter what.

Hand on heart I don't think we have seen that from the players at times.

The problem with recruitment is too many chefs spoiling the pot.

Edu been driven by agents
Lino throwing her serie a black book in there
Syriannos suggesting bundesliga players and getting over looked.
Etc etc.

We have a recruitment team what is doing its job, for higher profiles to intervene

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Tbf there's been consistent comments throughout this forum that the first XI are fine but even one or two injuries and we are well off it. As Wassy said Hutch hasn't quite been a success albeit at least he has challenged to be in first XI. Jesus has been a reasonable but of business but isnt the striker required to replace wood.

Beyond that it's been a lot of money spent for zero impact. Yes, wood is a huge miss but he shouldn't be to the extent we get relegated having spent £200m

Yes I get that and see where you are coming from.

As you said the first X1 are fine but there lies the problem for me.

What type of players can you realistcally expect to sign for us when they know that they are not going to be in the starting eleven when everyone is fit?

This is why I keep defending recruitment a bit.

Plus 200M sounds a lot but in all honesty in this day and age it isn't.

30M doesn't get you much nowadays when top players are going for 60,70,80M

I repeat recruitment has not been perfect but that applies to every club not just us.

I just think it is too easy to just blame recruitment or just blame Edu.

The players seem to escape blame but some of their actions are questionable.

Too much player power perhaps?

If a player doesn't like a manager fair enough but surely the players owe it to the fans and to the owner (who also needs to take some responsibility) to put a proper shift in and perform to the best of their ability no matter what.

Hand on heart I don't think we have seen that from the players at times.

The problem with recruitment is too many chefs spoiling the pot.

Edu been driven by agents
Lino throwing her serie a black book in there
Syriannos suggesting bundesliga players and getting over looked.
Etc etc.

We have a recruitment team what is doing its job, for higher profiles to intervene

I understand what you are saying mate.

But without agents we would never sign anyone.

I think Lina is involved more on the negotiation side then actually identifying players.

Isn't Syrianos responsible for the data? Not sure he is there to sign Bundesliga players.

I understand looking in from the outside it is how you say it is but not sure it is like that in reality.

Anyway we do have a head of recruitment which is Feriera.

Perhaps Edu should remove him?

[Salvatore Matrecano]

Tbf there's been consistent comments throughout this forum that the first XI are fine but even one or two injuries and we are well off it. As Wassy said Hutch hasn't quite been a success albeit at least he has challenged to be in first XI. Jesus has been a reasonable but of business but isnt the striker required to replace wood.

Beyond that it's been a lot of money spent for zero impact. Yes, wood is a huge miss but he shouldn't be to the extent we get relegated having spent £200m

Yes I get that and see where you are coming from.

As you said the first X1 are fine but there lies the problem for me.

What type of players can you realistcally expect to sign for us when they know that they are not going to be in the starting eleven when everyone is fit?

This is why I keep defending recruitment a bit.

Plus 200M sounds a lot but in all honesty in this day and age it isn't.

30M doesn't get you much nowadays when top players are going for 60,70,80M

I repeat recruitment has not been perfect but that applies to every club not just us.

I just think it is too easy to just blame recruitment or just blame Edu.

The players seem to escape blame but some of their actions are questionable.

Too much player power perhaps?

If a player doesn't like a manager fair enough but surely the players owe it to the fans and to the owner (who also needs to take some responsibility) to put a proper shift in and perform to the best of their ability no matter what.

Hand on heart I don't think we have seen that from the players at times.

We're on the wrong thread now but this argument doesn't hold water for me. Dont get the players wont sign because they know they wont play bit, thats nonsense. We qualified for europe for goodness sake, what more incentive do they need? We shouldn't be signing anyone who isn't confident enough or back themselves. If we havent bought players with that sort of character then yes that's a failing on how much research we did. Player power is a new thing but again we should be signing player we know are good character not divas who kick off the first time something goes wrong.

We have needed a new CF for the last 4 transfer windows and Jesus aside havent got one. Its not all on Edu but he takes responsibility now. Wilson didnt deliver either. we have spent £200m and not one of them has improved our starting 11 is a sad fact. I would have kept Jota Silva over quite a few of them.

[Dog and Bear]

Tbf there's been consistent comments throughout this forum that the first XI are fine but even one or two injuries and we are well off it. As Wassy said Hutch hasn't quite been a success albeit at least he has challenged to be in first XI. Jesus has been a reasonable but of business but isnt the striker required to replace wood.

Beyond that it's been a lot of money spent for zero impact. Yes, wood is a huge miss but he shouldn't be to the extent we get relegated having spent £200m

Yes I get that and see where you are coming from.

As you said the first X1 are fine but there lies the problem for me.

What type of players can you realistcally expect to sign for us when they know that they are not going to be in the starting eleven when everyone is fit?

This is why I keep defending recruitment a bit.

Plus 200M sounds a lot but in all honesty in this day and age it isn't.

30M doesn't get you much nowadays when top players are going for 60,70,80M

I repeat recruitment has not been perfect but that applies to every club not just us.

I just think it is too easy to just blame recruitment or just blame Edu.

The players seem to escape blame but some of their actions are questionable.

Too much player power perhaps?

If a player doesn't like a manager fair enough but surely the players owe it to the fans and to the owner (who also needs to take some responsibility) to put a proper shift in and perform to the best of their ability no matter what.

Hand on heart I don't think we have seen that from the players at times.

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[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

Tbf there's been consistent comments throughout this forum that the first XI are fine but even one or two injuries and we are well off it. As Wassy said Hutch hasn't quite been a success albeit at least he has challenged to be in first XI. Jesus has been a reasonable but of business but isnt the striker required to replace wood.

Beyond that it's been a lot of money spent for zero impact. Yes, wood is a huge miss but he shouldn't be to the extent we get relegated having spent £200m

Yes I get that and see where you are coming from.

As you said the first X1 are fine but there lies the problem for me.

What type of players can you realistcally expect to sign for us when they know that they are not going to be in the starting eleven when everyone is fit?

This is why I keep defending recruitment a bit.

Plus 200M sounds a lot but in all honesty in this day and age it isn't.

30M doesn't get you much nowadays when top players are going for 60,70,80M

I repeat recruitment has not been perfect but that applies to every club not just us.

I just think it is too easy to just blame recruitment or just blame Edu.

The players seem to escape blame but some of their actions are questionable.

Too much player power perhaps?

If a player doesn't like a manager fair enough but surely the players owe it to the fans and to the owner (who also needs to take some responsibility) to put a proper shift in and perform to the best of their ability no matter what.

Hand on heart I don't think we have seen that from the players at times.

We're on the wrong thread now but this argument doesn't hold water for me. Dont get the players wont sign because they know they wont play bit, thats nonsense. We qualified for europe for goodness sake, what more incentive do they need? We shouldn't be signing anyone who isn't confident enough or back themselves. If we havent bought players with that sort of character then yes that's a failing on how much research we did. Player power is a new thing but again we should be signing player we know are good character not divas who kick off the first time something goes wrong.

We have needed a new CF for the last 4 transfer windows and Jesus aside havent got one. Its not all on Edu but he takes responsibility now. Wilson didnt deliver either. we have spent £200m and not one of them has improved our starting 11 is a sad fact. I would have kept Jota Silva over quite a few of them.

Sal you are missing the point mate or maybe you just skimmed my post and didn't read it properly.

Did you want to replace Sels, Aina, Williams, Milenkovic, Murillo, Anderson, Sangare, Hudson Odoi, MGW and Wood?

That is 10 of our best eleven.

Nobody was ever going to be brought in to replace them.

So what were you expecting or who were you expecting to sign knowing that they would be playing second fiddle to the above. Because that is the reality isn't it?

And what would be the point of keeping Silva? He wouldn't be playing either.