Nottingham Forest - Huddersfield Town

[Paplane]

Let's not be too hard on knockers. I personally think that he brought us a bit of swagger when he came in, made the rest of the team realise they could bring it to the opposition a bit. He also showed a lot more passion and aggression when the rest of the team were completely passive. Perhaps he's served a purpose earlier on in the loan and maybe we've just moved past him now? Let's not throw him under the bus completely though, I genuinely think he played a big part, even if it was for a handful of games...

Thats all fair enough. He did turn us around and get us playing forward when he came in. It was a mutually beneficial situation as we gave him regular game time which he needed. I guess we're judging him as its make your mind up time on him for next season. If he was on a regular championship wage I'd say take him but he's on mega money. Freeman would be a better signing imo (based on his fitness returning next season) as he'd be probably on half the wage.

[stirred]

We were poor today and we lost the battle but the war goes on.

It's been a while since we have seen a performance like that so I am not going to grumble too much.

My short term memory is not too bad and we have seen some good performances lately and some convincing displays against Swansea away, Brentford away and Millwall and QPR at home. Those performances were far better than anything we had previously seen under Lamouchi earlier in the season.

So yes we were crap today but looking at the bigger picture I am rather pleased and optimistic for next season.

Spot on. Seems that there appear to be a number of 'supporters' including a small number of posters here who have no view of bigger picture whatsoever. 

Not for one minute suggesting everything is rosey in the Forest garden, but it could have been a whole lot worse if we hadn't been fortunate enough to secure such a steady pair of hands as Chris Hughton. Assuming he decides the players we go after (and we get some of them), then more improvements will follow.

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience. It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

Hiding behind the free speech banner, the classic trope.of someone that knows they're saying something controversial. 

We're not even safe now ffs! If Rotherham get 4 points from their games in hand we'll be 6 from safety with 4 to play. Ridiculous notion to suggest we weren't in danger. It's this attitude that's the reason managers repeatedly get sacked and we get stuck in this painful cycle of repetitive failure. 

And for the record both Mighten and Yates have been brought into the side recently as well as Garner (admittedly not our player) I'm not really sure who you want in right now?! 

I'm not saying CH couldn't have done better but at least criticise him for the right things.

What on earth is that supposed to mean?!

[stirred]

We were poor today and we lost the battle but the war goes on.

It's been a while since we have seen a performance like that so I am not going to grumble too much.

My short term memory is not too bad and we have seen some good performances lately and some convincing displays against Swansea away, Brentford away and Millwall and QPR at home. Those performances were far better than anything we had previously seen under Lamouchi earlier in the season.

So yes we were crap today but looking at the bigger picture I am rather pleased and optimistic for next season.

Spot on. Seems that there appear to be a number of 'supporters' including a small number of posters here who have no view of bigger picture whatsoever. 

Not for one minute suggesting everything is rosey in the Forest garden, but it could have been a whole lot worse if we hadn't been fortunate enough to secure such a steady pair of hands as Chris Hughton. Assuming he decides the players we go after (and we get some of them), then more improvements will follow.

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience. It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

Hiding behind the free speech banner, the classic trope.of someone that knows they're saying something controversial. 

We're not even safe now ffs! If Rotherham get 4 points from their games in hand we'll be 6 from safety with 4 to play. Ridiculous notion to suggest we weren't in danger. It's this attitude that's the reason managers repeatedly get sacked and we get stuck in this painful cycle of repetitive failure. 

And for the record both Mighten and Yates have been brought into the side recently as well as Garner (admittedly not our player) I'm not really sure who you want in right now?! 

I'm not saying CH couldn't have done better but at least criticise him for the right things.

Pretty much the same reply I would have given, other than to add against Millwall, Brentford and QPR recently the "style of football" has looked pretty decent to me, mostly with players he inherited. That's more of a blueprint than in the first 4 or 5 months after he arrived, at which point we were leaking goals and firing blanks-a combination that only points one way.

Tactics have rarely if ever cost us games this season, not being able to pass, defend or score goals on the other hand most certainly have. The 1st two of these have improved as the season has progressed under CH the third one not so much-yet.

Brighton were pretty entertaining on their escape from the Championship, but then far more tight at the back to survive in the Prem.

As for not playing youngsters? Who? He's done a great job of integrating Mighten. Yates gets regular games. Who else was ready for a relegation battle-because thats what we have been in for most of the season.

I get that opinions differ. I pay for 3 season tickets in A block and want decent entertainment. But I also want to win. To do that we have been saying (for 20 plus years) we need stability. We also have a steady hand at the tiller so actually have the chance of that long awaited stability-unless elements of our "supporterbase" would prefer something different,....again.

Well I think tactics have clearly cost us. From the beginning, seemingly content to sit on draws at home to Rotherham and Derby.

I don’t think Highton has done a great job of integrating Mighten. Sabri did that. Hughton set him back, and only fairly recently has given him a greater go when it had been obvious to many of us all along that he should be playing.

Yates was an established first team player before Hughton, and is 23.

Mbe Soh I believe should have been played in, instead of Figueiredo who was giving a goal away most games and is not part of the future. Or we could have loaned Mbe Soh out in January.

[nothing special]

After ten minutes the only question was how many we'd win by.

Hard to see how we got dragged down to their level, but Knockaert had a lot to do with it.

Wasteful finishing, bad mistake from Garner, Grabban sluggish, but Knockaert was a disgrace and I hope he never plays for us again.

[zicorice]

Spot on. Seems that there appear to be a number of 'supporters' including a small number of posters here who have no view of bigger picture whatsoever. 

Not for one minute suggesting everything is rosey in the Forest garden, but it could have been a whole lot worse if we hadn't been fortunate enough to secure such a steady pair of hands as Chris Hughton. Assuming he decides the players we go after (and we get some of them), then more improvements will follow.

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience. It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

Hiding behind the free speech banner, the classic trope.of someone that knows they're saying something controversial. 

We're not even safe now ffs! If Rotherham get 4 points from their games in hand we'll be 6 from safety with 4 to play. Ridiculous notion to suggest we weren't in danger. It's this attitude that's the reason managers repeatedly get sacked and we get stuck in this painful cycle of repetitive failure. 

And for the record both Mighten and Yates have been brought into the side recently as well as Garner (admittedly not our player) I'm not really sure who you want in right now?! 

I'm not saying CH couldn't have done better but at least criticise him for the right things.

Pretty much the same reply I would have given, other than to add against Millwall, Brentford and QPR recently the "style of football" has looked pretty decent to me, mostly with players he inherited. That's more of a blueprint than in the first 4 or 5 months after he arrived, at which point we were leaking goals and firing blanks-a combination that only points one way.

Tactics have rarely if ever cost us games this season, not being able to pass, defend or score goals on the other hand most certainly have. The 1st two of these have improved as the season has progressed under CH the third one not so much-yet.

Brighton were pretty entertaining on their escape from the Championship, but then far more tight at the back to survive in the Prem.

As for not playing youngsters? Who? He's done a great job of integrating Mighten. Yates gets regular games. Who else was ready for a relegation battle-because thats what we have been in for most of the season.

I get that opinions differ. I pay for 3 season tickets in A block and want decent entertainment. But I also want to win. To do that we have been saying (for 20 plus years) we need stability. We also have a steady hand at the tiller so actually have the chance of that long awaited stability-unless elements of our "supporterbase" would prefer something different,....again.

Well I think tactics have clearly cost us. From the beginning, seemingly content to sit on draws at home to Rotherham and Derby.

I don’t think Highton has done a great job of integrating Mighten. Sabri did that. Hughton set him back, and only fairly recently has given him a greater go when it had been obvious to many of us all along that he should be playing.

Yates was an established first team player before Hughton, and is 23.

Mbe Soh I believe should have been played in, instead of Figueiredo who was giving a goal away most games and is not part of the future. Or we could have loaned Mbe Soh out in January.

I am going to have to agree to disagree on your negative view of Chris Hughton (not sure about Highton). Sitting on a lead suggests that the opposition had nothing to do with their efforts to gain a point? 

Its been a rubbish 12 months-no doubt- but for most of us, we are seeing the first serious possibility in a long while of a manager who can take us where we want to be in his calm, measured and yes, at times methodical way. If that's not your bag and you want to sack off yet another manager, but bring in someone "better" or more "exciting" then good luck to you. Unless Hughton takes us backwards he has my full support. 

It doesn't mean I will blindly support his decisions, I too felt Figs had become a liability, but he did improve and although Soh looked a bit all over the place early on, I was hoping to see more of him. His time will no doubt come, much as Johnson will and Mightens has. 

Its easy to support after a win and slate after a loss  I try to be more balanced - positives and negatives -  as every dog has its day and we all can have a bad day at the office. As Sniff highlighted, there's been plenty to be positive about over the last month, especially when looking back to everything post lockdown 1.

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

That was diabolical today. Huddersfield were garbage.

Cafu has to some back in on Wednesday.

I have said it before and I will say it again, we are a better team when Cafu plays, as soon as he came on yesterday his passing ability and his movement of the ball stuck out a mile, well it did for me anyway.

[Paplane]

That was diabolical today. Huddersfield were garbage.

Cafu has to some back in on Wednesday.

I have said it before and I will say it again, we are a better team when Cafu plays, as soon as he came on yesterday his passing ability and his movement of the ball stuck out a mile, well it did for me anyway.

Yep and Murray had a shot on goal and a few things started to happen in the penalty box because both players were on the pitch. Both made a difference. 

Id start them on Wednesday but I know that Grabban wont be dropped.

[Uwantlee]

Had to sleep on yesterday before posting... overreaction was looming.

We started really well and had we scored in that opening 10 to 15 minute spell we would have taken them to the cleaners. We didn’t score. For me this is the biggest thing I take away from yesterday. If this is how we will approach games next season we will do very well as long as the recruitment is good. We will have new attacking players and, you would hope, this leads to better finishing and more chances created when we are on top.

The second thing I take from the game is that if we want derby to be relegated then these are the games we have to lose.

Joking aside, there are a number of those players yesterday that just won’t be here next season or shouldn’t anyway.

The back four doesn’t need to much of a shuffle. Add a left back and I think we are there. CH clearly doesn’t rate ribs. Bong is a terrible footballler and Blackett, despite some half decent performance recently, needs to be back up and not a starter.

In MF Knocks is just not worth the money. Not good enough and we have looked weaker since he came in to the team with ameobis injury. Garner is unlikely to be back. Yates and Cafu work hard but are not consistent enough. Krov needs better players around him. Freeman needs to go back to Sheff he just isn’t the same player he was 2 or 3 years ago.

Up top. All 3 can and should go. Grabban (I have made my feelings clear about him) thanks for the goals but for a season and a half now he has been a passenger and even wors he has been captain this season (terrible decision). I’m not suggesting he doesn’t care but he just isn’t very good any more.
Taylor should have stayed at Charlton in league 1 as that is his level I believe. Runs around a lot but very ineffective. Murray.... 5 years too late. Enjoy your retirement.

With these players in our squad results are going to vary and performances like yesterday are inevitable.

Over the summer our focus should be building on a spine of a squad.

Brice
Christie
Worrall
McKenna
Mighten
Johnson

Add 6 or 7 players to that list and then as back up you have

Smith
Blackett
Lolley
Ameobi
Yates
Cafu

The summer is going to be very interesting.

[wassy04]

We were poor today and we lost the battle but the war goes on.

It's been a while since we have seen a performance like that so I am not going to grumble too much.

My short term memory is not too bad and we have seen some good performances lately and some convincing displays against Swansea away, Brentford away and Millwall and QPR at home. Those performances were far better than anything we had previously seen under Lamouchi earlier in the season.

So yes we were crap today but looking at the bigger picture I am rather pleased and optimistic for next season.

Spot on. Seems that there appear to be a number of 'supporters' including a small number of posters here who have no view of bigger picture whatsoever. 

Not for one minute suggesting everything is rosey in the Forest garden, but it could have been a whole lot worse if we hadn't been fortunate enough to secure such a steady pair of hands as Chris Hughton. Assuming he decides the players we go after (and we get some of them), then more improvements will follow.

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience. It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

Hiding behind the free speech banner, the classic trope.of someone that knows they're saying something controversial. 

We're not even safe now ffs! If Rotherham get 4 points from their games in hand we'll be 6 from safety with 4 to play. Ridiculous notion to suggest we weren't in danger. It's this attitude that's the reason managers repeatedly get sacked and we get stuck in this painful cycle of repetitive failure. 

And for the record both Mighten and Yates have been brought into the side recently as well as Garner (admittedly not our player) I'm not really sure who you want in right now?! 

I'm not saying CH couldn't have done better but at least criticise him for the right things.

What on earth is that supposed to mean?!

It means that when you say people should be able to express their opinion that you're about to say something that most won't agree with. I think you can definitely criticise someone's opinion if they're saying something unhelpful. 

It came across to me that you were saying its my opinion, I'll say what I want regardless of the effects and I don't care what the rest of you think. 

My point is that this attitude is what's got us here to this point, if fans or groups of fans repeatedly turn on every manager we'll never get anywhere and this has been proven repeatedly with fact not opinion. Teams that get promoted tend to have had the same manager for a few years, that's fact. Not to say you can't go up in your first year it's just less likely, it's pretty difficult to go up already without parachute payments.

I'm certain you have made your mind up on CH and regardless of what anyone says or what happens next season you won't back down. However there are others reading that will not have and hopefully the more people that can be persuaded to have patience the more likely we'll be successful next season.

When crowds return we want positivity in the stands, not booing and moaning, I've never worked out how that will help the team.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Spot on. Seems that there appear to be a number of 'supporters' including a small number of posters here who have no view of bigger picture whatsoever. 

Not for one minute suggesting everything is rosey in the Forest garden, but it could have been a whole lot worse if we hadn't been fortunate enough to secure such a steady pair of hands as Chris Hughton. Assuming he decides the players we go after (and we get some of them), then more improvements will follow.

No fair. I don’t like Hughton because of his style of football and I also think he’s weak tactically.

You can agree or disagree, but that’s nowt to do with not seeing the big picture. There seems to be an attempt to equate criticising Hughton with being impatient. May be true for some, but it doesn’t follow.

I have always been happy to be patient, and have called for more development of our younger players, something Highton seems disinclined to do, which is another criticism I have of him. 

I also don’t think we were in any danger this season. It has been greatly exaggerated to excuse the performance of the current manager. I think that’s part of the bigger picture, and so I think you’re wrong. 

So it’s not impatience. It’s not missing the bigger picture. It’s just a difference of opinion, no?

People should be able to express their opinion without being referred to as ‘supporters’.

Hiding behind the free speech banner, the classic trope.of someone that knows they're saying something controversial. 

We're not even safe now ffs! If Rotherham get 4 points from their games in hand we'll be 6 from safety with 4 to play. Ridiculous notion to suggest we weren't in danger. It's this attitude that's the reason managers repeatedly get sacked and we get stuck in this painful cycle of repetitive failure. 

And for the record both Mighten and Yates have been brought into the side recently as well as Garner (admittedly not our player) I'm not really sure who you want in right now?! 

I'm not saying CH couldn't have done better but at least criticise him for the right things.

What on earth is that supposed to mean?!

It means that when you say people should be able to express their opinion that you're about to say something that most won't agree with. I think you can definitely criticise someone's opinion if they're saying something unhelpful. 

It came across to me that you were saying its my opinion, I'll say what I want regardless of the effects and I don't care what the rest of you think. 

My point is that this attitude is what's got us here to this point, if fans or groups of fans repeatedly turn on every manager we'll never get anywhere and this has been proven repeatedly with fact not opinion. Teams that get promoted tend to have had the same manager for a few years, that's fact. Not to say you can't go up in your first year it's just less likely, it's pretty difficult to go up already without parachute payments.

I'm certain you have made your mind up on CH and regardless of what anyone says or what happens next season you won't back down. However there are others reading that will not have and hopefully the more people that can be persuaded to have patience the more likely we'll be successful next season.

When crowds return we want positivity in the stands, not booing and moaning, I've never worked out how that will help the team.

:cool:

An Amen for Wassy.

SA.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Had to sleep on yesterday before posting... overreaction was looming.

We started really well and had we scored in that opening 10 to 15 minute spell we would have taken them to the cleaners. We didn’t score. For me this is the biggest thing I take away from yesterday. If this is how we will approach games next season we will do very well as long as the recruitment is good. We will have new attacking players and, you would hope, this leads to better finishing and more chances created when we are on top.

The second thing I take from the game is that if we want derby to be relegated then these are the games we have to lose.

Joking aside, there are a number of those players yesterday that just won’t be here next season or shouldn’t anyway.

The back four doesn’t need to much of a shuffle. Add a left back and I think we are there. CH clearly doesn’t rate ribs. Bong is a terrible footballler and Blackett, despite some half decent performance recently,  needs to be back up and not a starter.

In MF Knocks is just not worth the money. Not good enough and we have looked weaker since he came in to the team with ameobis injury. Garner is unlikely to be back. Yates and Cafu work hard but are not consistent enough. Krov needs better players around him. Freeman needs to go back to Sheff he just isn’t the same player he was 2 or 3 years ago.

Up top. All 3 can and should go. Grabban (I have made my feelings clear about him) thanks for the goals but for a season and a half now he has been a passenger and even wors he has been captain this season (terrible decision). I’m not suggesting he doesn’t care but he just isn’t very good any more.
Taylor should have stayed at Charlton in league 1 as that is his level I believe. Runs around a lot but very ineffective. Murray.... 5 years too late. Enjoy your retirement.

With these players in our squad results are going to vary and performances like yesterday are inevitable.

Over the summer our focus should be building on a spine of a squad.

Brice
Christie
Worrall
McKenna
Mighten
Johnson

Add 6 or 7 players to that list and then as back up you have

Smith
Blackett
Lolley
Ameobi
Yates
Cafu

The summer is going to be very interesting.

Robust assessment.  Brutal honesty.

And our squad is going to need a bit of that in the Summer.

I agreed with all of that.  :cool:

Maybe I wish I'd written it.  :O

SA.

[ThePromisedLand]

Had to sleep on yesterday before posting... overreaction was looming.

We started really well and had we scored in that opening 10 to 15 minute spell we would have taken them to the cleaners. We didn’t score. For me this is the biggest thing I take away from yesterday. If this is how we will approach games next season we will do very well as long as the recruitment is good. We will have new attacking players and, you would hope, this leads to better finishing and more chances created when we are on top.

The second thing I take from the game is that if we want derby to be relegated then these are the games we have to lose.

Joking aside, there are a number of those players yesterday that just won’t be here next season or shouldn’t anyway.

The back four doesn’t need to much of a shuffle. Add a left back and I think we are there. CH clearly doesn’t rate ribs. Bong is a terrible footballler and Blackett, despite some half decent performance recently,  needs to be back up and not a starter.

In MF Knocks is just not worth the money. Not good enough and we have looked weaker since he came in to the team with ameobis injury. Garner is unlikely to be back. Yates and Cafu work hard but are not consistent enough. Krov needs better players around him. Freeman needs to go back to Sheff he just isn’t the same player he was 2 or 3 years ago.

Up top. All 3 can and should go. Grabban (I have made my feelings clear about him) thanks for the goals but for a season and a half now he has been a passenger and even wors he has been captain this season (terrible decision). I’m not suggesting he doesn’t care but he just isn’t very good any more.
Taylor should have stayed at Charlton in league 1 as that is his level I believe. Runs around a lot but very ineffective. Murray.... 5 years too late. Enjoy your retirement.

With these players in our squad results are going to vary and performances like yesterday are inevitable.

Over the summer our focus should be building on a spine of a squad.

Brice
Christie
Worrall
McKenna
Mighten
Johnson

Add 6 or 7 players to that list and then as back up you have

Smith
Blackett
Lolley
Ameobi
Yates
Cafu

The summer is going to be very interesting.

Broadly agree but would move ( a fit ) Lolley into the ‘spine’ & add Soh to the ‘back up’.