Selling Our Young Talent

[Strawberry Avenger]

You have to have the players to defend corners.

Fig' is Championship 'green.' And Fox has been outstanding. But is he commanding? Wigan and Brum clearly got at Fig', Pants and Fox...and yes, the fullbacks have been targeted as well.

Forest don't have a 'Flint' at the moment. If Heff' and Dawson are both fit...are they the answer? Does that make us 'slow' at the back? Fox's shirt to lose. At least he cares. I commend him.

You have to have players to score goals. Strikers that is.

You have to have 'energy' in teh engine room midfield dept.

Teething problems. But then, Forest were building from such a low base, the odd 32-34 was inevitable as Forest were a young side that got bullied under Warburton.

Having brought in 23 players, the last few games have seen Forest bullied at teh back, bullied in teh middle. Head scratching? Not really. The two centre halves Forest brought in were not fit and over the ill.

Same with CM. The two CMs brought in (aside from Colback...) were over the hill and inconsistent.

But it's a state of where Forest are, in development as a club. One minute we're on life support a year or so ago the next minute we're 'going for it.'

I just think we're half way through a transition from life support to a 'going for it' club.

Not all the players brought in were 'old' but in key positions Forest have Dawson, Watson and Murphy. I think they can do a job.

But are they Flint, Saiss and Gayle? Those look like a good spine to me. But we don't have them. We have 3 34 year olds pretty much along the spine. Not fast enough for the Championship. I can't run as fast as I could when I was in my twenties...

No. Perhaps we could have got those three players with £13million?

SA.

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As soon as the window shuts on Friday, AK is stuck with what he has, but after saying that this is the squad he wanted, these are his players and he got rid of the ones he didn't want. We can question who he brought it, and at moment a lot of them have a lot to prove. But he cant keep throwing a fit when they don't perform - cos if that continually happens, he will have to start looking in the mirror along with the coaches. He needs to get the best out of the squad and improve each and everyone of the players -the players he wanted.

To be fair I have to agree here, my biggest concern is what actually goes on around the training ground. Can't defend corners can't score corners, same problem from last year yet we have a whole new squad. He's got his players now so come Xmas if we have the same problem I think it's fair to say the coaching staff just aren't doing their job. Ak to be fair makes changes in games and the players coming on are fired up to it, and he must give a decent team talk (maybe only at half time). I believe he can motivate players, and any one not buying into his methods are shown the door. Which to be honest is what I want, Barry McKay got talent wrong attitude. Bb again always huffing n puffing, diving. Can imagine he's probably got to big for his boots. Traoure, another one with attitude problem. This is what us as forest needed get rid of the rot and have a togetherness.

B.B was young.  Falling over and thinking you've made it because you're playing for England youth...?  Cash hinted in his interview that the manager doesn't like players who sulk.  And he'd have a right to.  Because he got dropped having had a great end to the season and his application, energy, attitude and goal scoring from his position have made him, for me, a far better all round player than B.B.  Points and goals in the bank?  It's Cash so far that influences games.  No huff and puff there.  He has worked on composure finishing and it shows on the pitch.  That's because he's not falling over all the time.  But he did once for a penalty when he got clipped. ;)

You'd think we'd make progress by Christmas.  But I'd caveat that by hoping that all players are fit, and the two positions that Forest get in DCM and Striker in exchange for B.B are absolutely crucial for a top 6 finish.

Ten games.  15.  X-mas.  We'll know far more.

We're vulnerable now to kick and rush set piece play.  And...it's a man's game.  You have to deal with it in the Championship.  

SA.

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Selling youth. It's a necessary evil.

I don't like it.

It is what it is.

SA.

[Username]

Brereton really isn't that good.

I am happy with the deal, especially if he was being mardy and wanted the move.

I believe Blackburn fans will be wondering why they spent ao much on him in a few months.

Very easy for us all to trash him now he's an ex-player. There's always two sides to every argument. Why was he being mardy?

I suspect that AK never rated him, BB knew this and felt aggrieved with the situation. Let's not forget he's only 19. Which 19 year old doesn't have a bit of a mardy moment every now and then? If AK were a real decent coach he'd have helped the lad along, got into his head, got his attitude right, got him competing for the shirt etc etc.

I’ve got to say that his tweet will leave a sour taste in the mouths of lots of fans. 

Comes across really badly in my opinion.

[Sunny]

The Brereton sale was good for all parties. Importantly for us it will help to strengthen the team before the weekend.

The bigger picture is that the academy continues to do an excellent job of bringing in income and producing players for the first team squad. Appiah is the next.

[woody]

Brereton was awful last season when he had an extended run in the team. Dont tell me he had no one around him because he couldnt even do the basic stuff like control the ball when it came to him and hold it up. His body langauge when we were supposed to be scrapping for every point wasnt good so it would seem that we had a difficult character on our hands who wasnt really willing to fight for the cause. Contrast him with Cash and his attitude and its fairly clear to see why Cash is continuing to develop and Brereton has gone backwards. Cash gives his all every game no matter what. What many seem to be ignoring also is that there is every likelyhood that Brereton played a part in moving away and that it wasnt just a Karanka decision.

I dont know if its the same people calling for us to make progress up the league table and at the same time blood the youngsters to see if they are going to make it but to me it makes sense that if we are going to make progress, then we need to pick the best players we have available and not pick the players who we hope are going to progress eventually. Many of those who have the potential and attitude will go out on loan to hopefully develope and come back to us as better players. If they dont then they have to go. Those who are deemed to either have gone as far as they can or dodgy sttitude can go. If we get some money for them then better still. We are a club that will always have to wheel and deal especially at championship level. We just dont have the money to continually fork out not to mention FFP. This sales takes us well back within the limits and gives us scope come january and frees up space in the squad for hopefuilly an incoming transfer and a player who will impriove the first team, not just languish in the squad.

Now come on, lets forget BB and get on with supporting our team. Brereton's sales makes perfectly logical sense to me.

[Strawberry Avenger]

Brereton was awful last season when he had an extended run in the team. Dont tell me he had no one around him because he couldnt even do the basic stuff like control the ball when it came to him and hold it up. His body langauge when we were supposed to be scrapping for every point wasnt good so it would seem that we had a difficult character on our hands who wasnt really willing to fight for the cause. Contrast him with Cash and his attitude and its fairly clear to see why Cash is continuing to develop and Brereton has gone backwards. Cash gives his all every game no matter what. What many seem to be ignoring also is that there is every likelyhood that Brereton played a part in moving away and that it wasnt just a Karanka decision.

I dont know if its the same people calling for us to make progress up the league table and at the same time blood the youngsters to see if they are going to make it but to me it makes sense that if we are going to make progress, then we need to pick the best players we have available and not pick the players who we hope are going to progress eventually. Many of those who have the potential and attitude will go out on loan to hopefully develope and come back to us as better players. If they dont then they have to go. Those who are deemed to either have gone as far as they can or dodgy sttitude can go. If we get some money for them then better still. We are a club that will always have to wheel and deal especially at championship level. We just dont have the money to continually fork out not to mention FFP. This sales takes us well back within the limits and gives us scope come january and frees up space in the squad for hopefuilly an incoming transfer and a player who will impriove the first team, not just languish in the squad.

Now come on, lets forget BB and get on with supporting our team. Brereton's sales makes perfectly logical sense to me.

:cool:

SA.

[Trent End Dave]

Whilst I didn’t want Brereton to go I do feel the club has probably got the timing right. He obviously wasn’t going to get much game time and he needs it to develop, which clearly wasn’t going to happen here. Fast forward a season and we could have had an unhappy player who had only dipped his toes in the first team and not developed as hoped and subsequent value would drop. Our goals have clearly changed for this season and time to develop the youngsters in our first team will be limited, rightly or wrongly.

[Tricky]

Brereton was awful last season when he had an extended run in the team. Dont tell me he had no one around him because he couldnt even do the basic stuff like control the ball when it came to him and hold it up. His body langauge when we were supposed to be scrapping for every point wasnt good so it would seem that we had a difficult character on our hands who wasnt really willing to fight for the cause. Contrast him with Cash and his attitude and its fairly clear to see why Cash is continuing to develop and Brereton has gone backwards. Cash gives his all every game no matter what. What many seem to be ignoring also is that there is every likelyhood that Brereton played a part in moving away and that it wasnt just a Karanka decision.

I dont know if its the same people calling for us to make progress up the league table and at the same time blood the youngsters to see if they are going to make it but to me it makes sense that if we are going to make progress, then we need to pick the best players we have available and not pick the players who we hope are going to progress eventually. Many of those who have the potential and attitude will go out on loan to hopefully develope and come back to us as better players. If they dont then they have to go. Those who are deemed to either have gone as far as they can or dodgy sttitude can go. If we get some money for them then better still. We are a club that will always have to wheel and deal especially at championship level. We just dont have the money to continually fork out not to mention FFP. This sales takes us well back within the limits and gives us scope come january and frees up space in the squad for hopefuilly an incoming transfer and a player who will impriove the first team, not just languish in the squad.

Now come on, lets forget BB and get on with supporting our team. Brereton's sales makes perfectly logical sense to me.

Bang on Woody!! My thoughts entirely. What came across to me about Brereton was it always seemed to be about him. Take for example when the u19's won the Euro's. Brereton decided to wear his shirt back to front during the presentation, which meant the 3 lions on his back and his name on the front. Very disrespectful in my eye. I just went right off him after that. Am I being pedantic? Am i being a bit OTT? maybe, but thats how I felt at the time and still do feel now.

Good luck to the lad and I hope he does have a good career, but give me a Matty Cash any day of the week for attitude, determination, heart and commitment.

[Sunny]

I won’t miss his embarrassing diving and simulation.

[Strawberry Avenger]

"give me a Matty Cash any day of the week for attitude, determination, heart and commitment."

A player I'd rather be talking about.

SA.

[Salvatore Matrecano]

I posted this thread exactly 1 year ago, it seems a good time to revive it, I was pxxxed off then and I am pxxxed off now.

For the NINETH consecutive year we have sold our most saleable asset.

Year on year we have used those funds to buy a load of sub standard dross, I am yet to be convinced this year is any different. Will Appiah’s fee will be spent paying the wages of the 9 or 10 players who will sit on their backsides and never make this years squad?

We have learnt nothing every year up til now, please this time Forest prove me wrong, show me that we have a strategy going on and its not to sell talent to fund yet more scattergun purchases.

[Paplane]

Disagree hes our most saleable asset. Lolley is.

[ThePromisedLand]

And Johnson has overtaken him in my view...