Nottingham Forest - Wigan

[Jacksbadhobbits]

I get that Carvalho is being played out of position but for the amount of money we paid for him and the talent some think he has, he should still be able to make an impact. Its not like we're asking him to play at full back.

If Joao Carvalho's name was Ben Osborn then he would have been driven out of Nottingham by an angry mob by now.

My Mrs's  family are all Southampton fans so I went with them to the Palace match on Saturday before hotfooting it back to the City Ground for Sunday. Saturday I sat and watched 2 premier league teams who are in a relegation scrap and they are both miles ahead of us. If we did somehow get promoted then we're going to be in some serious trouble next season.

I reckon that apart from Brice Samba, no current player would be good enough for a starting place in a premier league team.

[Paplane]

I get that Carvalho is being played out of position but for the amount of money we paid for him and the talent some think he has, he should still be able to make an impact. Its not like we're asking him to play at full back.

If Joao Carvalho's name was Ben Osborn then he would have been driven out of Nottingham by an angry mob by now.

My Mrs's  family are all Southampton fans so I went with them to the Palace match on Saturday before hotfooting it back to the City Ground for Sunday. Saturday I sat and watched 2 premier league teams who are in a relegation scrap and they are both miles ahead of us. If we did somehow get promoted then we're going to be in some serious trouble next season.

I reckon that apart from Brice Samba, no current player would be good enough for a starting place in a premier league team.

No, but you can say that of most teams that go up and some find a way to stay up.

[Maltared]

I get that Carvalho is being played out of position but for the amount of money we paid for him and the talent some think he has, he should still be able to make an impact. Its not like we're asking him to play at full back.

If Joao Carvalho's name was Ben Osborn then he would have been driven out of Nottingham by an angry mob by now.

My Mrs's  family are all Southampton fans so I went with them to the Palace match on Saturday before hotfooting it back to the City Ground for Sunday. Saturday I sat and watched 2 premier league teams who are in a relegation scrap and they are both miles ahead of us. If we did somehow get promoted then we're going to be in some serious trouble next season.

Agree with most of you r saying, IF we sneak promotion with this team, to have a chance of survival, only three players will do the grade... Samba, Cash nd Worrall .... the rest will be loaned out of paid off ... we will have to sign 10 to 12 players ... or we will be relegated by Christmas... as part of the 25 men squad maybe we can keep; Grabbs, Silva, Figi nd Sow ( if he can keep himself on his feet) ... that's about it...

[Sniffer Dog (Admin)]

We will cross this bridge when we come to it.

Once Marinakis gets in the PL he ain't leaving again any time soon. Believe me.

[Maltared]

I think it's fair to say we won't recoup the full 13.2m for Carvalho.

Either way, back to my original point, the financial weight he carries is the reason why we can't afford to keep him on the books just to develop him, or have as 3rd/4th choice backup.

Whereas on the flipside we're not paying any transfer fee out for Yates', and he signed a new contract Jul 18 when he barely had any game time to his name so will be on relative pittance wage wise. That you can afford to develop, and keep as 3rd/4th choice backup.

Alf why do you think that any club is going to spend that sort of money on Carvalho? ... we shafted Red Bull when they signed Burke, and they shafted WBA in return ... now he is worthless and probably will go on a free to a L2 team when his contract runs out ... Benfica shafted us with Carvalho,  and now we r hoping that some team sign him on just watching YouTube highlights...definitely not by sending scouts to the City Ground...

[Camms]

Sabri - I’m afraid - has to shoulder a good share of the blame.
He may be our saviour - no complaints from me - but some of his team selections again today were baffling.

Wigan are no mugs despite their positsion.

We don't know which players are carrying slight knocks etc so we should cut Sabri some slack.
6 points from our last two games. It's been a good Christmas.

[ThePromisedLand]

Bridcutt is better than semedo and yates
So is yacob.
Pants is better than muric and Smith

Obviously must be some underlying circumstances because we would have a better squad with these lads included  . More experience.

Pants was rubbish, glad we got rid of him! People need to forget about these players as they've cleared been binned off.
(For what's it's worth Jacob does seem like he'd add value but maybe he's just not fit enough?)

Pants gone?
Where? When?

[ThePromisedLand]

Lamouchi has come in for stick from a number of fans - me included - for his selections in this game.
Interesting to see therefore Mowbray’s comments this morning where he claims to be counting his walking wounded as a result of ‘fatigue injuries’ ahead of Wednesday’s game.
Food for thought.

^ Just thought I’d repost this in response to Boatsy ^

[wassy04]

Bridcutt is better than semedo and yates
So is yacob.
Pants is better than muric and Smith

Obviously must be some underlying circumstances because we would have a better squad with these lads included  . More experience.

Pants was rubbish, glad we got rid of him! People need to forget about these players as they've cleared been binned off.
(For what's it's worth Jacob does seem like he'd add value but maybe he's just not fit enough?)

Pants gone?
Where? When?

Well technically under contract but appears theres absolutely no intention of him playing again. I actually meant replaced when I said got rid anyway.

[the jock]

Bridcutt is better than semedo and yates
So is yacob.
Pants is better than muric and Smith

Obviously must be some underlying circumstances because we would have a better squad with these lads included  . More experience.

Pants was rubbish, glad we got rid of him! People need to forget about these players as they've cleared been binned off.
(For what's it's worth Jacob does seem like he'd add value but maybe he's just not fit enough?)

Point being we brought in players like muric semedo bostock etc when we didn't even need them. More expense added.

[wassy04]

Bridcutt is better than semedo and yates
So is yacob.
Pants is better than muric and Smith

Obviously must be some underlying circumstances because we would have a better squad with these lads included  . More experience.

Pants was rubbish, glad we got rid of him! People need to forget about these players as they've cleared been binned off.
(For what's it's worth Jacob does seem like he'd add value but maybe he's just not fit enough?)

Point being we brought in players like muric semedo bostock etc when we didn't even need them. More expense added.

We didn't know they'd be worse when we signed them though, could've easily gone another way (and I think semedo still has value) Muric was highly rated and we fought off others to sign him. I'd argue the signing of samba is only enhanced by the fact they mo d quickly after realising Muric was rubbish

[Alf]

I think it's fair to say we won't recoup the full 13.2m for Carvalho.

Either way, back to my original point, the financial weight he carries is the reason why we can't afford to keep him on the books just to develop him, or have as 3rd/4th choice backup.

Whereas on the flipside we're not paying any transfer fee out for Yates', and he signed a new contract Jul 18 when he barely had any game time to his name so will be on relative pittance wage wise. That you can afford to develop, and keep as 3rd/4th choice backup.

Alf why do you think that any club is going to spend that sort of money on Carvalho? ... we shafted Red Bull when they signed Burke, and they shafted WBA in return ... now he is worthless and probably will go on a free to a L2 team when his contract runs out ... Benfica shafted us with Carvalho,  and now we r hoping that some team sign him on just watching YouTube highlights...definitely not by sending scouts to the City Ground...

Totally agree, hence why I said "Won't recoup"